Another upstanding E bay S4 seller. Not.
11-13-2003, 11:54 PM
#16
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Deffently not an S4 engine...
Thats the L-jet V-8 that I know and love so much!
Hum, older style tail lamps, L-jet engine, older style square driveing lights, chrome ring around the head lights, US markers. Nope deffently not an S4.
If that the pre-S spoiler on it?
Should we warn the buyer???
Thats the L-jet V-8 that I know and love so much!
Hum, older style tail lamps, L-jet engine, older style square driveing lights, chrome ring around the head lights, US markers. Nope deffently not an S4.
If that the pre-S spoiler on it?
Should we warn the buyer???
11-14-2003, 02:47 AM
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HA! here's the response i got from him:
KingLyonsDen@aol.com
I am going by what Porsche of North America says it is. Unless your Sir name is Porsche and or you built this car at Porsche factory you wouldn't know now would you !! So with that in mind please call your local Porsche dealer and/or Porsche of North America give the VIN# and find out for yourself. By the way they might not of been available to the public until 1987 but they did make one in 1984 and I got it for now.
this guy just can't take a hint!
KingLyonsDen@aol.com
I am going by what Porsche of North America says it is. Unless your Sir name is Porsche and or you built this car at Porsche factory you wouldn't know now would you !! So with that in mind please call your local Porsche dealer and/or Porsche of North America give the VIN# and find out for yourself. By the way they might not of been available to the public until 1987 but they did make one in 1984 and I got it for now.
this guy just can't take a hint!
11-14-2003, 03:29 AM
#19
Three Wheelin'
"S4" "84" got his s's and 8's confused. maybe the dealer was telling him 928 - 84
"Looks to me to be someone's pride and Joy,"- Yeah, the body man who rebuilt it!
"The body is stright and the paint is bright and gleams."- see above
"This one I found at an auction on 11-05-03 just for Ebay shoppers."- uhh, thanks!, I think.
A 2 feedback with a 75% rating. Comforting. Check out the feedback on the Mercedes.
"Looks to me to be someone's pride and Joy,"- Yeah, the body man who rebuilt it!
"The body is stright and the paint is bright and gleams."- see above
"This one I found at an auction on 11-05-03 just for Ebay shoppers."- uhh, thanks!, I think.
A 2 feedback with a 75% rating. Comforting. Check out the feedback on the Mercedes.
11-14-2003, 11:27 AM
#22
Nordschleife Master
I just hope the potential buyer knows sharks as well as we do. I'd say
1. Front End Accident
2. Repainted
3. Looks to me the frame was realigned, but pictures can be deceiving.
4. None original interior
Think about this. He says ...I have no history on this car but it runs strong and drives smooth. If he thinks it's an S4, he non-directly idvertantly admits to being clueless. An S4 pulls harder than a S.
Typical Auction Dealer.
1. Front End Accident
2. Repainted
3. Looks to me the frame was realigned, but pictures can be deceiving.
4. None original interior
Think about this. He says ...I have no history on this car but it runs strong and drives smooth. If he thinks it's an S4, he non-directly idvertantly admits to being clueless. An S4 pulls harder than a S.
Typical Auction Dealer.
11-14-2003, 01:22 PM
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Bills right, someone should run a Carfax and see. Maybe its gone a VIN tag from an S4 on an 84 shell. It could be a Frankenstein car. Someone could ask the seller for a bunch of body part vin's and see if they all match. If he could be trusted to tell the truth it would tell a lot.
11-14-2003, 01:30 PM
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The VIN the guy says he used to verify that the car is an S4 is an 84. There's no excuse for the guy once he starts making racial nasties. He's a certifiable a$$hole.
11-14-2003, 01:41 PM
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GOOD NEWS - CARFAX Certified History - Guaranteed!
This 1984 PORSCHE 928S (WP0JB0928ES860520) qualifies for the CARFAX Certified History, a guarantee worth up to $5,000 that protects you from buying a vehicle that had severe damage, major odometer problems, or Lemon history reported to a Department of Motor Vehicles.
1. ACCIDENT CHECK
Total Loss Check No Severe Accidents Reported to DMV - GUARANTEED!
Other Accident Indicators No Accident Indicators Reported
2. MILEAGE ACCURACY CHECK
Truth-In-Mileage Check No Odometer Problems Reported to DMV - GUARANTEED!
Odometer Rollback Check No Potential Odometer Rollback Found
Mileage Consistency Check No Inconsistent Odometer Reading Found
3. LEMON CHECK®
No Manufacturer Buyback Reported to DMV - GUARANTEED!
4. OWNERSHIP CHECK
Number of Owners At least 1 Owner
Type of Owners Checked 9 Types of Vehicle Registrations
5. RECALL CHECK
No Open Recall(s) Reported
6. WARRANTY CHECK
No data reported to CARFAX
DETAILED VEHICLE HISTORY 7 HISTORY RECORDS REPORTED
Year/Make/Model: 1984 PORSCHE 928S
Body Style: COUPE
Engine: 4.6L V8 FI SOHC 16V
Fuel: GASOLINE
Driveline: REAR WHEEL DRIVE
Manufactured in: GERMANY
Total Loss Check:
GOOD NEWS! This 1984 PORSCHE 928S (WP0JB0928ES860520) has had no severe accidents or other total loss events reported to CARFAX from a Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV). This vehicle qualifies for the CARFAX Certified History, a guarantee worth up to $5,000.
No Salvage Title Reported No Loss Due To Fire Title Reported
No Junk Title Reported No Flood Damage Title Reported
No Rebuilt/Reconstructed Title Reported No Hail Damage Title Reported
No Dismantled Title Reported No Canadian Total Loss Record Reported
Other Accident Indicators:
This 1984 PORSCHE 928S (WP0JB0928ES860520) has had no accident indicators reported to CARFAX from its sources. This section checks for accidents and/or related damage reported from many public and private sources. Not all accidents are reported to CARFAX. A vehicle inspection completed by your dealer or professional mechanic is recommended.
No Salvage Auction Record Reported No Crash Test Vehicle Record Reported
No Fire Damage Record Reported No Airbag Deployment Record Reported
No Police Accident Record Reported No Damage Disclosure Record Reported
This 1984 PORSCHE 928S (WP0JB0928ES860520) had no odometer problems reported to a DMV under the Federal Truth-In-Mileage Act. This Act requires owners to disclose odometer problems and an accurate reading when a vehicle is sold. This vehicle qualifies for the CARFAX Certified History, a guarantee worth up to $5,000.
No Not Actual Mileage Title Reported:
Title issued by DMV when the owner discloses mileage fraud or a broken odometer.
No Exceeds Mechanical Limits Title Reported:
Title issued by DMV when the owner discloses an odometer rollover.
Odometer Rollback Check:
CARFAX found no odometer rollbacks for this 1984 PORSCHE 928S (WP0JB0928ES860520). Rollbacks reported in this section originate from readings collected by a DMV or other verifiable source.
Mileage Consistency Check:
CARFAX analyzed the mileage history for this 1984 PORSCHE 928S (WP0JB0928ES860520) and found no inconsistent odometer readings.
Date: Mileage:
12/13/1994 19,352
03/11/1997 29,380
02/18/1999 49,635
04/13/1999 51,593
08/03/2001 81,735
Ownership History:
Estimated Owners: Date: Location:
At least 1 owner No data No data
Types of Owners:
This 1984 PORSCHE 928S (WP0JB0928ES860520) was checked for 9 types of registrations.
No Private Use Registration Reported No Fleet Registration Reported
No Lease Registration Reported No Commercial Registration Reported
No Rental Registration Reported No Non-Profit Registration Reported
No Government Registration Reported No Built to Non U.S. Standards Record Reported
No Taxi Registration Reported
This 1984 PORSCHE 928S (WP0JB0928ES860520) has no recalls that still require repair.
Date: Source: Description:
11/14/2003 Porsche Cars North America No recalls open for repair
CARFAX cannot calculate the remaining coverage for this 1984 PORSCHE 928S (WP0JB0928ES860520) because no original manufacturer warranty information was reported to CARFAX by its source.
Estimated start date of warranty: 01/10/2000
Last reading reported on 08/03/2001: 81,735 miles
Today's Date: November 14, 2003
Type of Coverage: Original Warranty:
Basic No data reported to CARFAX
Drivetrain No data reported to CARFAX
Emissions No data reported to CARFAX
Corrosion No data reported to CARFAX
Transferable No data reported to CARFAX
Roadside Assistance No data reported to CARFAX
Safety belt & inflatable restraint No data reported to CARFAX
Date:
Mileage Reading:
Source:
General Comments:
12/13/1994 19,352 California
Inspection Station
Yorba Linda, CA
Passed emissions inspection
03/11/1997 29,380 California
Inspection Station
Palmdale, CA
Passed emissions inspection
02/18/1999 49,635 California
Inspection Station
Covina, CA
Designated GROSS POLLUTER
Failed emissions inspection
04/13/1999 51,593 California
Inspection Station
Irvine, CA
Passed emissions inspection
01/10/2000 California
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
Title issued
08/03/2001 81,735 California
Inspection Station
Glendora, CA
Passed emissions inspection
11/14/2003 Porsche Cars North America No recalls open for repair
Detailed Vehicle History Definitions:
* Failed Emissions Inspection
The emissions check performed during a vehicle inspection indicated the vehicle was emitting more than allowable emissions standards and/or had missing or modified parts. Repeated failed emissions records can indicate engine problems and CARFAX recommends you have the vehicle inspected.
This 1984 PORSCHE 928S (WP0JB0928ES860520) qualifies for the CARFAX Certified History, a guarantee worth up to $5,000 that protects you from buying a vehicle that had severe damage, major odometer problems, or Lemon history reported to a Department of Motor Vehicles.
1. ACCIDENT CHECK
Total Loss Check No Severe Accidents Reported to DMV - GUARANTEED!
Other Accident Indicators No Accident Indicators Reported
2. MILEAGE ACCURACY CHECK
Truth-In-Mileage Check No Odometer Problems Reported to DMV - GUARANTEED!
Odometer Rollback Check No Potential Odometer Rollback Found
Mileage Consistency Check No Inconsistent Odometer Reading Found
3. LEMON CHECK®
No Manufacturer Buyback Reported to DMV - GUARANTEED!
4. OWNERSHIP CHECK
Number of Owners At least 1 Owner
Type of Owners Checked 9 Types of Vehicle Registrations
5. RECALL CHECK
No Open Recall(s) Reported
6. WARRANTY CHECK
No data reported to CARFAX
DETAILED VEHICLE HISTORY 7 HISTORY RECORDS REPORTED
Year/Make/Model: 1984 PORSCHE 928S
Body Style: COUPE
Engine: 4.6L V8 FI SOHC 16V
Fuel: GASOLINE
Driveline: REAR WHEEL DRIVE
Manufactured in: GERMANY
Total Loss Check:
GOOD NEWS! This 1984 PORSCHE 928S (WP0JB0928ES860520) has had no severe accidents or other total loss events reported to CARFAX from a Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV). This vehicle qualifies for the CARFAX Certified History, a guarantee worth up to $5,000.
No Salvage Title Reported No Loss Due To Fire Title Reported
No Junk Title Reported No Flood Damage Title Reported
No Rebuilt/Reconstructed Title Reported No Hail Damage Title Reported
No Dismantled Title Reported No Canadian Total Loss Record Reported
Other Accident Indicators:
This 1984 PORSCHE 928S (WP0JB0928ES860520) has had no accident indicators reported to CARFAX from its sources. This section checks for accidents and/or related damage reported from many public and private sources. Not all accidents are reported to CARFAX. A vehicle inspection completed by your dealer or professional mechanic is recommended.
No Salvage Auction Record Reported No Crash Test Vehicle Record Reported
No Fire Damage Record Reported No Airbag Deployment Record Reported
No Police Accident Record Reported No Damage Disclosure Record Reported
This 1984 PORSCHE 928S (WP0JB0928ES860520) had no odometer problems reported to a DMV under the Federal Truth-In-Mileage Act. This Act requires owners to disclose odometer problems and an accurate reading when a vehicle is sold. This vehicle qualifies for the CARFAX Certified History, a guarantee worth up to $5,000.
No Not Actual Mileage Title Reported:
Title issued by DMV when the owner discloses mileage fraud or a broken odometer.
No Exceeds Mechanical Limits Title Reported:
Title issued by DMV when the owner discloses an odometer rollover.
Odometer Rollback Check:
CARFAX found no odometer rollbacks for this 1984 PORSCHE 928S (WP0JB0928ES860520). Rollbacks reported in this section originate from readings collected by a DMV or other verifiable source.
Mileage Consistency Check:
CARFAX analyzed the mileage history for this 1984 PORSCHE 928S (WP0JB0928ES860520) and found no inconsistent odometer readings.
Date: Mileage:
12/13/1994 19,352
03/11/1997 29,380
02/18/1999 49,635
04/13/1999 51,593
08/03/2001 81,735
Ownership History:
Estimated Owners: Date: Location:
At least 1 owner No data No data
Types of Owners:
This 1984 PORSCHE 928S (WP0JB0928ES860520) was checked for 9 types of registrations.
No Private Use Registration Reported No Fleet Registration Reported
No Lease Registration Reported No Commercial Registration Reported
No Rental Registration Reported No Non-Profit Registration Reported
No Government Registration Reported No Built to Non U.S. Standards Record Reported
No Taxi Registration Reported
This 1984 PORSCHE 928S (WP0JB0928ES860520) has no recalls that still require repair.
Date: Source: Description:
11/14/2003 Porsche Cars North America No recalls open for repair
CARFAX cannot calculate the remaining coverage for this 1984 PORSCHE 928S (WP0JB0928ES860520) because no original manufacturer warranty information was reported to CARFAX by its source.
Estimated start date of warranty: 01/10/2000
Last reading reported on 08/03/2001: 81,735 miles
Today's Date: November 14, 2003
Type of Coverage: Original Warranty:
Basic No data reported to CARFAX
Drivetrain No data reported to CARFAX
Emissions No data reported to CARFAX
Corrosion No data reported to CARFAX
Transferable No data reported to CARFAX
Roadside Assistance No data reported to CARFAX
Safety belt & inflatable restraint No data reported to CARFAX
Date:
Mileage Reading:
Source:
General Comments:
12/13/1994 19,352 California
Inspection Station
Yorba Linda, CA
Passed emissions inspection
03/11/1997 29,380 California
Inspection Station
Palmdale, CA
Passed emissions inspection
02/18/1999 49,635 California
Inspection Station
Covina, CA
Designated GROSS POLLUTER
Failed emissions inspection
04/13/1999 51,593 California
Inspection Station
Irvine, CA
Passed emissions inspection
01/10/2000 California
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
Title issued
08/03/2001 81,735 California
Inspection Station
Glendora, CA
Passed emissions inspection
11/14/2003 Porsche Cars North America No recalls open for repair
Detailed Vehicle History Definitions:
* Failed Emissions Inspection
The emissions check performed during a vehicle inspection indicated the vehicle was emitting more than allowable emissions standards and/or had missing or modified parts. Repeated failed emissions records can indicate engine problems and CARFAX recommends you have the vehicle inspected.
11-14-2003, 02:28 PM
#28
Nordschleife Master
I called up Porsche Cars North America.
The guy was telling the truth. They have that VIN listed as an S4. However, they also have no cars mannufactoring that year, or any year untill 87, as an S4. Apperently their data base is screwed up.
The guy was telling the truth. They have that VIN listed as an S4. However, they also have no cars mannufactoring that year, or any year untill 87, as an S4. Apperently their data base is screwed up.
11-14-2003, 02:46 PM
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Someone just send the guy a picture of what a real s4 looks like.
Engine and exterior...
Regardless, it doesn't really matter, because any 928 enthusiast, or even someone with slight knowledge, will know the difference. If someone buys it without knowing anything about these cars, then they would have bought anything, and they deserve what they get for their foolish buying behavior...
Engine and exterior...
Regardless, it doesn't really matter, because any 928 enthusiast, or even someone with slight knowledge, will know the difference. If someone buys it without knowing anything about these cars, then they would have bought anything, and they deserve what they get for their foolish buying behavior...
11-14-2003, 02:55 PM
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All the guy has to do is a little research then change the description of his car or come up with an actual 928S4 to sell. I did send him a picture of an S and an S4. He now sends an e mail every couple of hours or so admonishing me to check with Rusnack, Porsche and to get my head out of my a$$. Not necessarily in that order.
Anyway, it was amusing for a hot second. Lets just hope no one falls victim to this guy.
Anyway, it was amusing for a hot second. Lets just hope no one falls victim to this guy.