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This would be the fourth X38 I have found so far. Chased two of them hard without success. I'm not usually a green car guy, but if's pretty stunning - so who knows.
Quite a few exceptional cars popping out of the woodwork lately! Three great examples on BAT at the same time! I'm thinking that this could set a record high price for GTS Automatics, It looks as nice or nicer than Snow White!
Clearly Porsche was not as obsessed with maintaining the offset as some of us are here on rennlist.
I'm certainly one of the obsessed.
I dont think Porsche's use of ET52 suggests offset is not critical. What needs to be considered is that as you move away from ET60 in either direction, positive or negative there are implications. As you approach 0 scrub ET60 or so you can get some odd behaviors on the street like tram-lining. In the case of this GTS with the ET52's this would be more positive and the implications of that are greater steering effort with more tendency to go straight or stability. Performance drivers could characterize this as a reluctance to turn in. Porsche compensated for this with increased steering assist on the later cars as their focus, and the market in general, moved more towards Luxury GT's, think BMW 850csi and Mercedes 500e . This may have given the GTS more of a stable on-center feel that would be more consistent with it's Luxury GT positioning in the market place at that time. In contrast a near zero scrub like the one found on the GT would be somewhat desirable for high performance driving situations but also have a more nervous on center feel. Classic trade off.
I did observe in practice that the rear wheel offset, by way of various spacers in my case, does influence front steering feel and tram-lining tendencies much more than I expected when compared to other longer wheel base projects I have tinkered with. .I also observed as the rear track widens relative to the front throttle steering becomes more prevalent. So one could surmise from this observance that there is an relationship between front and rear wheel offsets with a result in how the car feels and performs. Since the GTS had much more torque and wider rear wheel stance by way of spacers and rear fender flairs it stands to reason that widening the front as well would be a good idea from a technical (stability) and esthetic stand point.
So concluding front wheel offset isn't critical becasue Porsche used very specific offsets for specific applications over a 17 year product cycle is an over simplification of the subject.
Last edited by icsamerica; 11-12-2022 at 02:44 PM.
It seems that BaT picked the wrong week to post his auction as Todd mentioned he's out of town and didn't get a chance to shoot any videos. If you have the bandwidth perhaps you could get the car outside away from any shadows and do a walkaround then take it up to redline in 3th gear on I-70?
Back to the 8" cup II wheels. They WERE an original option for the rear of the 993 - identified as winter wheel (used narrower tires for better snow grip than the standard 9" wheels/tires).. They are 8" wide with et70 offset. Essentially keeps the center of the wheel/tire within a mm of the 7.5" et65 location.. I had a set of these on my '94 GTS and have just purchased a set for the current '95. These accommodate 235/45 X 17 tires. Just a little more tread grip on the front than the 225/45's. No rubbing or contact with fender edge on the '94. Porsche part number is: 993.362.126.01
The ET 52 wheels on the beauty for sale on BAT just seem strange to me. I've had et 52 wheels on the front of a 928, and the car doesn't handle as well - much more tramlining. Also,, the scrub radius of the wheels is different, so there is actually some slippage of a wheel/tire on sharp slow parking lot turns.
Back to the 8" cup II wheels. They WERE an original option for the rear of the 993 - identified as winter wheel (used narrower tires for better snow grip than the standard 9" wheels/tires).. They are 8" wide with et70 offset. Essentially keeps the center of the wheel/tire within a mm of the 7.5" et65 location.. I had a set of these on my '94 GTS and have just purchased a set for the current '95. These accommodate 235/45 X 17 tires. Just a little more tread grip on the front than the 225/45's. No rubbing or contact with fender edge on the '94. Porsche part number is: 993.362.126.01
The ET 52 wheels on the beauty for sale on BAT just seem strange to me. I've had et 52 wheels on the front of a 928, and the car doesn't handle as well - much more tramlining. Also,, the scrub radius of the wheels is different, so there is actually some slippage of a wheel/tire on sharp slow parking lot turns.
Gary
With the X38 option, you could also run the Cup II 9" ET70, which would not stick out as far as the 8" ET 52. If my calculations are correct, it would be about 5mm further inward, the same as if the 8" had an ET57 offset (like the Carrera III). This would help with the scrub radius issue as well as providing even greater grip up front (I ran 255/40s on mine and it felt very planted).
This would be the fourth X38 I have found so far. Chased two of them hard without success. I'm not usually a green car guy, but if's pretty stunning - so who knows.
Quite a few exceptional cars popping out of the woodwork lately! Three great examples on BAT at the same time! I'm thinking that this could set a record high price for GTS Automatics, It looks as nice or nicer than Snow White!
I just happend to purchase a really nice 928GTS -94 (110000km) with the factory option X38. Did not fully realise what bought until I found this thread…
I got hold of it in Sweden but it was originally sold in Germany. There are cup2 rims on it but I will check later if they are the original X38 rims.
I just happend to purchase a really nice 928GTS -94 (110000km) with the factory option X38. Did not fully realise what bought until I found this thread…
I got hold of it in Sweden but it was originally sold in Germany. There are cup2 rims on it but I will check later if they are the original X38 rims.
congrats on your purchase. would you be willing to share some pictures and provide the VIN for posterity, @Rob Edwards can look it up and provide a full list of codes.
congrats on your purchase. would you be willing to share some pictures and provide the VIN for posterity, @Rob Edwards can look it up and provide a full list of codes.
Next in production line after the other “Aventura Grün”
Yes, this is one of the 33 'Action Model' cars from 1994. The defining option code for the Action Model is either I729 ( for the 17 cars in Aventurine Green), and I728 (for the 16 cares in Iris Blue Metallic). All 33 of these cars (1994 German market automatics) include the following options that correlate with the brochure language in the picture below.
IX26: Steering Wheel-Special Leather
IX38: Wider front fenders, including 8 x 17″ wheels on front axle
I139 and I340: Left and Right heated seats
I334: Radio Blaupunkt Bremen RCM 42
M650: Sunroof
I980: Seat cover – draped leather
Roughly half of the cars also have I935- Seat cover rear, draped leather
This particular car is production # 1340356. The 'in-service' date in the warranty book is 7/8/94, while the invoice date is 3/3/94.
In this case the 09991 code stands for : Attention: TUV individual approval. Perhaps because of the altered fenders? Dunno
The 10141 is 'Leather Cargo cover in Cedar Green'.
The combination of the brochure language and the matching set of rare options across 33 ’94 German market cars in the database constitutes a pretty good case for this being a special series from Porsche, even if it’s ‘just’ a marketing exercise.
Just saw this one on Mobile.de
Could it be another “Action Model” in Aventura Grün but with changed dash/steering wheel? Interior is Cedar Green but no info about X38 or VIN. If it’s another “Action Model” it’s also missing original radio and leather for the trunk.
Front rims look like 7,5”
I think this is not an Action model, I think it's an early German market '95. That CR-10 radio was only specified in 81 1995 cars, and there's only one Aventurine green car with the X21 passenger side console phone mount.
11-12-2022, 07:58 AM
Hmm
