Jherriott

The 928 never died... it just got re-branded a 911. Best marketing move since breakfast cereal, LOL

jheis

It's also 16 years newer.

Think of where the 928 would be with an additional 16 years of development....

the flyin' scotsman

Back in the day when 928 GTS's were new Porsche sold an air cooled 911 (993) and the 968 (last version of the 944).

The 928 was light years ahead of both alternatives and given +20 years has passed since the last 928 was built its no wonder the latest 911 has caught up.........took them long enough!

linderpat

Malcolm - the 968 was the 944 successor; the 964 was the next in line 911 variant.

cobalt

Not sure how my name was attached to that quote. I would never say that. Some variants of the 991 are quite nice and are modern handling cars but the base IMO is a lifeless drive that does not exhilarate the way a 928 can. I do enjoy the dressed up models but we are talking huge money.

I have been saying as long as I have been around rennlist that the 993 was the pivotal turning point when the 911 headed towards becoming more of a GT car than a true sports car not unlike the 928. I think the GTS rocks and most all 928's are similar vs. the 911's which have changed so much over the years. Nice cars to drive the 991 has a lot as a DD but not for me just too darn large and computerized.

I don't want to get into a pissing match I love the 928 although at heart I am an air cooled 911 guy. The 964 and 928 were essentially the end of an era. I would not place the 928 light years ahead of the 964 and the 993 was quite similar in many ways. My turbo is a far more capable car in stock form and can easily be made to outperform a lot of modern cars with simple bolt on mods. A 928 takes significant work to bring it up to that level. With that said the 928 is less focused on just being a sports car and can be a nice laid back ride and a beast when pushed unlike the 964's which always seem to be in hyper mode at least a well setup one. The 928 was a more expensive car to build but a lot of the advancements are ingenuitive but archaic.

Enjoy the car and no need to place one over the other they belong side by side and both have a place in my book of dream cars. IMO it is about time these cars receive some credit and place in the Porsche lineage for the great cars they are.

cobalt

Panamera

the flyin' scotsman

thanks........corrected.

hacker-pschorr

Whoops.....sorry about that. Has been corrected.

the flyin' scotsman

no pissing contest from me; each to their own opinion.

My point was to make comparison to what was available from Porsche in the same timeframe rather than to models that are +20 years apart in design/engineering and manufacture.

Cheburator

That is the most ridiculous statement I have seen in a while. Of course it is the better car. It has benefitted from another 30yrs of evolution. My V10 M5 wagon was miles better than the previous M5 3.8 Wagon. It is called progress. However, a 991 feels like a BMW, not a Porsche. A new 911 or BMW doesn't tug on the emotional strings. That's why Singer can ask and achieve $500k for a re-engineered 964...

cobalt

I understand. but I don't see the cars being that much different. There was always the which one is better argument between the 928 and 911 owners then came the 944T/68 guys. Both the GTS and the turbo were amazing cars for their time despite the antiquated CIS still being used on the turbo. It was $25k more than a GTS and worth every penny in the day, as was the GTS and those were huge dollars. At least they were well built and will still be around in another 30 years, most anything made today will all be recycled.

Why is singer always thrown up as the pinnacle? And it is $700k for a well optioned one above the price of the 964. Give me a Ruf especially his latest releases any day of the week. There is a difference between re-imagining and re-engineering and Ruf has shown who is king once again.

Cheburator

The reason Singer was used is very simple - underneath the carbon fibre and nice leather it is a 964 chassis. Underneath the latest RUF - huge fan of them - it is the latest 911. It will be anodyne and digital. It cannot be anything else. Yes, miles better than the standard car, but if you want that unique feeling that you get when you drive your 964T or that I get when I spank my 996.1 GT3 CS on track, we need to look somewhere else.

cobalt

I guess you missed this.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-show...od-911-geneva/

kevinr

My 928 is very close to the same size as my Cayman S.

cobalt

My 14 boxster was larger and my sons A3 makes it look small. That is one of the unique things about the 928. It is spacious inside and looks large and menacing but is still small enough to be fun.

I was in an F612 the other day and it was huge.