Typical cost to bring typical car up to our standard
#77
#78
To add another perspective I bought my 1989 S4 manual in 1998 for $15k and it was as expected, no AC needed timing belt and overall engine refresh etc. I have spent $20k total since then to bring it up to snuff as a daily driver with very high confidence in its ability to perform...I still need to fix the AC and replace the shocks. Go figure.
#79
My experience
To add another perspective I bought my 1989 S4 manual in 1998 for $15k and it was as expected, no AC needed timing belt and overall engine refresh etc. I have spent $20k total since then to bring it up to snuff as a daily driver with very high confidence in its ability to perform...I still need to fix the AC and replace the shocks. Go figure.
#81
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#83
That's an interesting observation. I'm prompted to over-think it, as is my habit:
As we get older, we drive with what younger folks see as excessive caution. Slower reaction times may play a role, we may think we have more to lose, and there may be other factors (e.g., a spouse in the passenger seat). But the main factor is that we've seen more ways to get in a crash. We may slow down generally, or just in particular situations when we recognize a specific risk that younger drivers don't see.
I imagine the same phenomenon occurs with the combination of owning a 928 and reading this forum: the more you do it, the more potential trouble you see and wish to avoid.
Risk analysis, though, is based on dividing occurrences by the number of opportunities. We see only the occurrences here, or those we experience ourselves. Our judgment naturally becomes skewed towards over-caution, and we may spend more money on preventive maintenance than a proper risk analysis would suggest is appropriate.
The "better safe than sorry" principle takes over, which is an expensive substitute for data and engineering judgment. On the other hand, we've already committed to a degree of foolishness by purchasing our cars; we should be left to enjoy our indulgence without interference.
Nevertheless, an interesting thread would ask "What do we do to our cars out of fear rather than logic?" I don't want to start that fire, myself. (Hmm ... dare I ask if fuel lines are a good example of "over treatment"? )
As we get older, we drive with what younger folks see as excessive caution. Slower reaction times may play a role, we may think we have more to lose, and there may be other factors (e.g., a spouse in the passenger seat). But the main factor is that we've seen more ways to get in a crash. We may slow down generally, or just in particular situations when we recognize a specific risk that younger drivers don't see.
I imagine the same phenomenon occurs with the combination of owning a 928 and reading this forum: the more you do it, the more potential trouble you see and wish to avoid.
Risk analysis, though, is based on dividing occurrences by the number of opportunities. We see only the occurrences here, or those we experience ourselves. Our judgment naturally becomes skewed towards over-caution, and we may spend more money on preventive maintenance than a proper risk analysis would suggest is appropriate.
The "better safe than sorry" principle takes over, which is an expensive substitute for data and engineering judgment. On the other hand, we've already committed to a degree of foolishness by purchasing our cars; we should be left to enjoy our indulgence without interference.
Nevertheless, an interesting thread would ask "What do we do to our cars out of fear rather than logic?" I don't want to start that fire, myself. (Hmm ... dare I ask if fuel lines are a good example of "over treatment"? )
In fact, my exposure to the 928 community and additional experience gained here as made me much more cautious about driving my old SAAB around on which I have done almost no work in the last 20 years. I keep thinking, "Oh, replace those fuel lines, check the power steering hoses, etc." Ten years ago, I would not have given it a second thought...
To answer the original question, I am going to throw out the figure USD 15'000. This assuming that you have access to a competent mechanic to do the work and the car is reasonably ok to look at. That's a wild ball-park guess, but it seems about right to me. In other words, I'm saying that in my opinion a car that appears to need only minor work will need 15K.
#84
No. Bot copying part of a post from a previous page. The bot programmers are attempting to make them 'intelligent' enough that folks will think the post is from a human and get a click through. On the other side of the click will be a prize. Mostly likely maleware.
It fooled you. You clicked. I usually report these bot posts after verifying copy and paste from within the thread.
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#86
Which post was it?
#87
OK, I think some of us none computer people need a lesson here. How can I verify this? I did not notice any bot posts in this thread, but I usually don't click on many things anyway. I also highly doubt any of my computers are infected with anything... I do have a virus and malware scanner.
Which post was it?
Which post was it?
Bottom line: if you don't blindly click on links without first looking at the destination URL and deciding if they lead to a place you want to go you'll be less likely to contract malware through rennlist.
Tell-tail signs of a spam/bot post are: low total post count, a short partial repeat of a previous post in the thread, a meaningless or jumble user name, and a link.
I wrote a bunch more, but deleted it, figuring folks would skip past too many werdz.
#89
Same advise given by enthusiasts of other cool, modest demand cars. Find a good running car being sold by a person who can show $15k of receipts. At this age for many of these cars, that's the car you want to buy.
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It's not perfect, of course. I've done a lot of preventative maintenance on it, but it has *required* no repairs and would have run OK without much or any work at all during the past 1.5 years and 4000 miles.
That's not the right way to own one of these cars according to the philosophy of this list, which I have mostly followed - I have done tires, CV boots, shocks, motor mounts, top end refresh and of course the TB/WP - around $5000 in parts and outside services, plus lots of my slow, inexpert labor.