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'How many 928's are maintained by owners' Poll
#1
Nordschleife Master
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'How many 928's are maintained by owners' Poll
From the above titled thread, a poll.
Quote Jim Bailey: 'maybe do a poll ? how many owners have done a timing belt water pump ? , pulled a transmission , changed a clutch. Done shocks springs. ???'
Because you can only pick a single choice these are the options:
1. Do no work, and farm it all out.
2. Only light work (i.e. air filter, tire pressure, oil change, spark plugs, etc.)
3. All work
Painting car excluded from choice 3.
Quote Jim Bailey: 'maybe do a poll ? how many owners have done a timing belt water pump ? , pulled a transmission , changed a clutch. Done shocks springs. ???'
Because you can only pick a single choice these are the options:
1. Do no work, and farm it all out.
2. Only light work (i.e. air filter, tire pressure, oil change, spark plugs, etc.)
3. All work
Painting car excluded from choice 3.
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Would not re-covering seats still fall into the cagegory of "All work". I removed my seats, front and rear...but Robb Budd is recovering them.
Really, doesn't matter...voted before I thought about it...lol.
Brian.
Really, doesn't matter...voted before I thought about it...lol.
Brian.
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I think the poll title and intent are in conflict. The poll options would align with a title of "Do YOU maintain your 928", while the title aligns with us guessing what percentage of owners maintain their own 928s.
#4
Nordschleife Master
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Once the poll entries wear down we can see the percentages of how many do not and how many do (and to what extent the 'do's' do), and then rummage over the results.
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Work I've done:
- installed Lizard short shifter
- change oil
- fixed speed sender issue
- fixed license plate light
- replaced alternator with Delco unit
- replaced plug wires
- adjusted idle switch
Work I've paid for:
- new Bilstein shocks
- motor mounts and oil pan gasket
- cam end cover gaskets
- driveshaft pinch bolt adjust, clutch bushing
- installed Lizard short shifter
- change oil
- fixed speed sender issue
- fixed license plate light
- replaced alternator with Delco unit
- replaced plug wires
- adjusted idle switch
Work I've paid for:
- new Bilstein shocks
- motor mounts and oil pan gasket
- cam end cover gaskets
- driveshaft pinch bolt adjust, clutch bushing
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#9
Nordschleife Master
Please retitle the poll:
"How many 928s are maintained by owners who are on Rennlist and will take the time to answer the poll."
This site is heavy on DIY guys looking for and giving DIY information. As I mentioned in the other thread, most 928 owners I meet In Real Life don't work on their cars.
"How many 928s are maintained by owners who are on Rennlist and will take the time to answer the poll."
This site is heavy on DIY guys looking for and giving DIY information. As I mentioned in the other thread, most 928 owners I meet In Real Life don't work on their cars.
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Poll has only been up a few hours too, but the poll options are also very limited. None of those three options apply to me. There is no formula as to when I'll open up the tool box vs taking the car to Page Auto. Last year my 79 and 80 both received new lower ball joints. A job I can easily do in short order but since an alignment is needed anyway..... and since a proper alignment requires fully lifting the car for an inspection, I didn't see much reason to do the ball joints myself.
A couple years ago I had them replace the ignition switch in my 79. Why? I was feeling particularly lazy and just didn't want to do it.
Meanwhile I've done clutch masters without cutting a hole in my car, head gaskets without pulling the motor and more than a couple clutch jobs. It's almost like I leave the easy jobs for my local shop. Never really thought about it before, every job is a new job and I make a decision based on a lot of factors in my life at that time.
I think Dr Bob hit the nail on the head in the other thread:
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...by-owners.html
Every year I'm amazed by the number of 928's that show up at Page Auto that neither of us have ever seen before, or have not seen in a long time (that pristine low mileage 86.5 I started a thread on is an example). The lions share of these cars belong to people that probably know how to check their oil, not much else.
I'm guessing less than 5% of world wide 928's that are in some kind of running condition are driven with any regularity. Why does this matter? It means deferred maintenance.....when that car in the 3rd stall is not required to get to work, take the kids to school or pick up groceries, it can wait. If it runs "good enough" for a quick jaunt to dinner with the wife, so be it.
If and when the collector car market "discovers" the 928 and values start to rise, the percentage of DIY owners and average miles traveled will start to plummet too.
Same here. I run into a couple new (to me) 928 owners in Elkhart Lake each year. I don't recall the last time I met someone who maintained their own car and only a couple were aware of Rennlist.
A couple years ago I had them replace the ignition switch in my 79. Why? I was feeling particularly lazy and just didn't want to do it.
Meanwhile I've done clutch masters without cutting a hole in my car, head gaskets without pulling the motor and more than a couple clutch jobs. It's almost like I leave the easy jobs for my local shop. Never really thought about it before, every job is a new job and I make a decision based on a lot of factors in my life at that time.
I think Dr Bob hit the nail on the head in the other thread:
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...by-owners.html
I think Mark at 928 Int'l mentioned one time that Rennlist members are a small fraction of folks on his customer lists. I'm sure that there are plenty of DIY folks on other boards too that take care of their own cars.
So part of my history is writing "expert decision-making" software, part of which includes making sure that the result is the answer to the exact question asked. My guesstimate is somewhere south of 10%. The rest do not actually maintain their 928's at all, may do part of the maintenenace and ignore the rest. Another maybe 10% have them maintained professionally by others. Undermaintained or unmaintained cars seem to make up the lions' share of cars we see hit the market, if that's a clue.
So part of my history is writing "expert decision-making" software, part of which includes making sure that the result is the answer to the exact question asked. My guesstimate is somewhere south of 10%. The rest do not actually maintain their 928's at all, may do part of the maintenenace and ignore the rest. Another maybe 10% have them maintained professionally by others. Undermaintained or unmaintained cars seem to make up the lions' share of cars we see hit the market, if that's a clue.
I'm guessing less than 5% of world wide 928's that are in some kind of running condition are driven with any regularity. Why does this matter? It means deferred maintenance.....when that car in the 3rd stall is not required to get to work, take the kids to school or pick up groceries, it can wait. If it runs "good enough" for a quick jaunt to dinner with the wife, so be it.
If and when the collector car market "discovers" the 928 and values start to rise, the percentage of DIY owners and average miles traveled will start to plummet too.
Same here. I run into a couple new (to me) 928 owners in Elkhart Lake each year. I don't recall the last time I met someone who maintained their own car and only a couple were aware of Rennlist.
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This poll will, of course, reflect the sampling bias of those who frequent this forum. But that is interesting - let's see how it turns out.
The other thread is meant to arrive at a guess about the total population of 928 owners. It cannot be more than anecdotal. There, I've worked in one of my favorite words!
But I wonder: if both DIYers and Indy shops get their parts from Roger, than Roger knows the answer....
The other thread is meant to arrive at a guess about the total population of 928 owners. It cannot be more than anecdotal. There, I've worked in one of my favorite words!
But I wonder: if both DIYers and Indy shops get their parts from Roger, than Roger knows the answer....
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Right now, I am a solid 2. However, a local mechanic enthusiast is going to walk/help me throught the TB/WP procedure. So I should be 2.5 come mid Feb. LOL
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Poll has only been up a few hours too, but the poll options are also very limited. None of those three options apply to me. There is no formula as to when I'll open up the tool box vs taking the car to Page Auto. Last year my 79 and 80 both received new lower ball joints. A job I can easily do in short order but since an alignment is needed anyway..... and since a proper alignment requires fully lifting the car for an inspection, I didn't see much reason to do the ball joints myself.
I agree, the poll choices are too limited. All or none. I would suggest a 5 point Likert scale. 1 = no work, 2= light maintenance, minimal work 3 = moderate work, 4 = most major work, 5 = all work. You could add examples to help define these 5 categories as well but either way, as it's been pointed out, this poll will only yield insight into Rennlist readers, which may well not be representative of 928 owners in general.
Steve
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I do pretty much anything and everything on all of my cars, with the exception of tire changes and alignments, since I don't have the equipment for those. I've done some upholstery work and I've even painted a few cars (Porsche 911, Plymouth Barracuda, 2 Pontiac Fiero's).
I've discovered over the years that I much prefer doing mechanical work over doing paint and body or upholstery, and I tend to shy away from automatic transmission work, but most everything else is quite enjoyable for me. Having an well equipped garage, including a 2 post lift, makes things more fun.
My personal motto is:
Any job worth doing is worth buying a new tool to do it!
I've discovered over the years that I much prefer doing mechanical work over doing paint and body or upholstery, and I tend to shy away from automatic transmission work, but most everything else is quite enjoyable for me. Having an well equipped garage, including a 2 post lift, makes things more fun.
My personal motto is:
Any job worth doing is worth buying a new tool to do it!