I'm currently investigating taking the 928 Coke Car to SCCA in the Spring. My local track, Waterford Hills, has an accredited SCCA racing school and I can get my novice license and then move up to full license after three events.

But I need to figure our what class the car would fit, and after reading through the 1,000 pages of rules, my head is spinning. Is anyone running a stock motor in SCCA? I assume Kibort with his stroker is in a different group...?

As far as I know the car was previously run by Abby in either PCA or NASA events. SCCA seems to be the better (cheaper) route for me to get into full racing, but it all depends on the class and regulations governing that class. I need to get the car re-registered for whichever class I go for and the cost of any updates will likely be the ultimate decider on how far I go down this path.

Anyway, looking to hear from others who are currently in SCCA with a 928 or know what class the (86.5) 928 fits in.

 

Here is the bottom line.. you can run ITE which is a local SCCA class. this is basically , any production car on DOT race rubber.... the safety regs is a local thing, but usually , it follows IT prep safety requirements... (no fuel cell, etc).

you can also run in American V8 superclass, which many of the local chapters support.

Last, you can run in GT2, as Anderson and I have run in World Challenge GT with a car that is supposed to be slightly higher in performance prep than a GTS 928. I fought pretty hard with the nationals rule makers and got some good headway to make it official.. so much so, that I ran in the runoffs with it. X-world challenge GT cars can run in GT2 (called GT2-S). you then run against Porsche GT3 cup cars, and many of the nascar/southwest touring tube framed racers.
this hasn't been fully ratified, but it could be shortly... I had to provide the VTS sheets and they are incomplete on line and I don't have the full GTS sheet that I thought Anderson would have printed out. we find that, and the car is official in GT2 for SCCA. I ran out of motivation , because I don't think nationals will run at laguna for a long time. however, you can enter it and run in GT2 now.

why do you think that SCCA will be cheaper than NASA or PCA? I think the events cost the same... actually, NASA seems to be more cost effective and gives more track time if that is what you are looking for.... im going to do a few NASA and PCA events this season again, because of Willow springs, and the competition in SCCA has weakened . NASA has the ST2 class which is the absolute best place for the 928 with power to weight ratio monitoring and classing...... my car is ST-2 and limits power to weight to 8:1. also its a national class.

 

I've known guys in NASA run DE, TT, and ST classes at the same time. That is a lot of seat time over one weekend.

When you are crewing for someone in multiple classes, you get really good at changing tires and brake pads.

 

NASA also offers you the ability to HPDE your car as you learn as well, something I don't -really- like about the SCCA, is the lack of driver development time outside of the racing environment.


I'm not a huge fan of PCA, because I've seen what they qualify as "safe" race cars, and many of which wouldn't be safe HPDE cars at NASA.

Either SCCA or NASA logbooks are ok, they interchange...as do the licenses. Find the people you are happiest pitting with and have fun.

NASA, you have PT/ST, or GTS to play with.

 

thats right ... forgoth about the GTS classes.

SCCA has a HUGE issue with their growth potential as they are not really recruiting the drivers needed to sustain car count. my idea was to can one of the run groups for a HPDE goup.. (maybe advanced like group 3-4 with nasa).. THEN.............. the street cars mix with the races cars over the weekend and there is a lot of socializing, echanging of info and recruitment of new blood. more fun for both sides actually. they have quite a few empty classes that can be combined.. or just make our races 20mins instead of 30mins and add a run group for DE.

actually, Nasa doesnt accept scca licences and SCCA absolutely doesnt accept nasa licences. SCCA licence is an auto qualifier for getting a NASA licence but you need to get one still.. same both ways for log books. you need a lob book for both.. nasa log books are not worth anything for SCCA.

 

"Nasa doesnt accept scca licences and SCCA absolutely doesnt accept nasa licences"

That is soooooo untrue.

It's only a formality to produce your NASA/SCCA license to the other org, and they will gladly whip out the requires SCCA/NASA license you require. Same for vehicle log books.

Who told you that SCCA and NASA dont play nicely on licenses??

 

ive been living it for years and years. back and forth.. the dont accept eachothers license. the better quetion is "who told you that they do??" you still need to apply and get the license. having a nasa license doesnt gurantee a scca licecne, but helps depending on how long you have it... nasa counts the SCCA licence and allows for thiers, but you still need to have a nasa licence and a scca license to run with either (as well as PCA)
ITS SO TRUE!

with nasa , they needed to issue a NASA log book.. they wouldnt take the SCCA but they looked at it and my old NASA log book was too old!

an absolutely, SCCA doesnt accept other log books... to run with SCCA you need an SCCA Log book. some special events , they allow the PCA to run without the log book, but only if the group is ONLY pca cars.

if you means is speeds the qualification process,...............then yes. but you still need a license for both and they dont use or accept other clubs licenses.

 

You cant race a NASA event on an SCCA license, or without a NASA logbook.

Correct.

But the process is simple.
Become a member, fax the office your license and current medical, and that's it.

I've done this perhaps 100 times myself.

And..show up at tech with a current scca logbook and annual, and guess what you get, a free nasa logbook and annual sticker. Done THAT maybe 100 times too.

 

i thought that was what you meant.

yes, ive done that too.
yes, the process is simple, but the licenses dont work if you just show up .

Now, 100 times? really, in what car?

Now, try and show up with a nasa log book and try and get teched for an SCCA event... they will issue you one, but there is a full annual that needs to be done before you can race and they wont even look at the book at all. much stricter with SCCA than nasa. that was my point.

 

The main reason I think SCCA would be cheaper is that they have a local school and events. NASA would require me to travel 2-3 hours min for each event. So while the entrance price might be similar, the travel and convenience swings heavily in SCCA favor.

I was told I wouldn't fit in ITE (not sure why). Spoke with the regional director today, and he wasn't sure what class the 928 would fit in. He said GTR or GTO, and then said maybe ITA or ITS (frankly I got lost at that point. He wrapped up by suggesting I ask other 928 SCCA drivers what class they compete in. Which prompted the question.

I don't recall seeing the American V8 superclass, but I'll look again.

I've got a lot of things I need to sort through and I thought this would be the easiest one to figure out... guess not.

 

absolutely, the 928 fits ITE , here out west, it might be different. i can check for you . definitely not ITA or ITS.
i dont know if the director was the best guy to talk with ITE is a regional class. the ONLY rule , IT safety, but anything goes on DOT tires on a non tube framed production car.

i dont know what GTR and GTO specs are but i can find out

worst case, you can run GT2 though, (national class) but it should be prepared to the world challenge spec, but you are welll below that which is fine.. (wings, splitter, bigger tires and rims, bigger engine, etc) weight 2900 with driver

Yep, running with SCCA makes sense for you ... same reason i do most with them locally.. as thunderhill is 3 hours away and they go there a lot. sears is their other track locally and reallly never laguua.

 

Just watched the Video and checked the NASA web site, for a license you need to prove you can run in an "open pass" group and have one of two options, do it through HPDE's and moving up or take the 4 day course at the Ford Driving school in Utah.

Am I reading that correctly?

 

I was going throguh the SCCA rules again. It loos like the 928 fits "ITR." Is that the same as ITE, just a different name? I'm so confused.

Dave, That's how I read it too (although I believe there are some other accredited schools out there).

That's why the SCCA route is the way to go for us. It's in our backyard. It's accredited, and they have a clear path. Take the class, run three weekends (within 2 years I think) and you're eligible for a full race license. And because they run at Waterford, it's a whole lot cheaper than any of the other programs I've seen.

 

yes, you are... you have to run open passing group for a while, usually called, group 4, and sometimes they will send an instructor in your car . Generally, for NASA, its a bunch of weekends in group 4. i would hate to think that just surviving a group 4 (open passing group) would qualify for a license. that's like you do a touch and go with an airplane and you get a passing license!
the more experience with open passing the better. generally you should have 1 or two seasons running open passing before you start racing i think that is even better than a 4 day school, and ive seen that proved true on the track many times.

 

its not ITR.... it should be called ITE. ive seen results on the western michigan SCCA website for ITE. that woudl be the class.

show me the rule link an ill help you navigate... i also have a email into the club racing director to see other options.