"These are, by far, the scariest cars (to repair and maintain)"
10-31-2015, 08:48 PM
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"These are, by far, the scariest cars (to repair and maintain)"
http://driving.ca/lotus/auto-news/en...r-and-maintain
928 was second on the list,
"The Porsche 928 isn’t an unreliable car so much as it’s an unfortunate victim of economics. The 928 was frightfully expensive when new and cost nearly 10 times the price of a contemporary compact car. It had an advanced, all-aluminum V8, passive rear-wheel steering and a fusebox the size of a bread loaf wedged in the passenger footwell. The problem is that despite costing more than a 911 when new, values for ratty examples remain low while classic 911 prices are simply stratospheric. It might seem like a deal, but most $5,000 928s are on their second or third neglectful owner and the deferred maintenance items can really pile up. Cabin electrics are usually less than reliable and finding parts for a 928 can be nearly impossible. And when you do find parts for them, prices can be terrifying. Take this $600 gauge cluster, for example. Buy a sorted one or don’t buy one at all."
928 was second on the list,
"The Porsche 928 isn’t an unreliable car so much as it’s an unfortunate victim of economics. The 928 was frightfully expensive when new and cost nearly 10 times the price of a contemporary compact car. It had an advanced, all-aluminum V8, passive rear-wheel steering and a fusebox the size of a bread loaf wedged in the passenger footwell. The problem is that despite costing more than a 911 when new, values for ratty examples remain low while classic 911 prices are simply stratospheric. It might seem like a deal, but most $5,000 928s are on their second or third neglectful owner and the deferred maintenance items can really pile up. Cabin electrics are usually less than reliable and finding parts for a 928 can be nearly impossible. And when you do find parts for them, prices can be terrifying. Take this $600 gauge cluster, for example. Buy a sorted one or don’t buy one at all."
10-31-2015, 09:02 PM
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Another uninformed journalist doing minor research on a project.
10-31-2015, 10:03 PM
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I'd be willing to bet, that he's never been in a 928, driven one, or knows any one that owns one.
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10-31-2015, 10:15 PM
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The fact that he chose the Countach over any Ferrari variant of the same era says it all. They are actually quite a bit less maintenance intensive and don't require a very costly engine out service and new belts every 5,000 miles / 5 years like a Testarossa, etc. which is easily a $15k affair. 355, 348s etc are also very costly. The Countach is chain driven and very reliable with very little routine maintenance.
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11-01-2015, 08:23 AM
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Well done! It's a shame Porsche doesn't make an electric bicycle, even if color-matching handlebars were a $500 option. I converted an old bicycle to electric on the cheap (Hill Topper). Everybody with a car subject to the gas guzzler tax needs to have something like this to meet HAFE (household average fuel economy standards). I think 928 owners also need to have some very simple vehicle to meet a household maintenance anxiety standard.
(Has no one yet substituted an electric motor for their TBF-stricken 928 engine? I'm sure there's plenty of room on the CE panel to wire it up.)
(Has no one yet substituted an electric motor for their TBF-stricken 928 engine? I'm sure there's plenty of room on the CE panel to wire it up.)
11-01-2015, 09:20 AM
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928 and 944/51 are some of the best project cars one could possibly be involved with.
*Still great availability of inexpensive examples needing light refresh
*Strong, solid mechanicals and body. Overdesigned and overbuilt.
*Original paint of such high quality, despite being 30-ish years old, that can gleam with light compounding.
*Super cool retro shapes / forms / fit / finish
*Amazingly easy to "modernize" the look with inexpensive tire/wheel substitutions
*Heavy body panels, stitched together with great welds.
*Aluminum panels on the 928 that seem superior to steel for dent resistance.
*Quite rust resistant due to well-executed galvanization and primer coats
*Overdesigned basic engine components
*Nearly trackable in street form; 928 in particular has a track suspension out of the box from the factory.
*With maintenance catchup completed, these GT cars are dead-nuts reliable, long distance cruisers
*Extensive documentation, mechanical and electrical, readily available and sharable
*Smart, savvy and passionate enthusiasts, highly collaborative, connected via net boards, worldwide, day and night --- they communicate openly and have reached critical mass as a knowledge base.
*Wide availability of used parts, including reasonably price body parts, due to combination of enough yearly production of these cars, and importantly, similarities across the build-years.
*Replacement and Performance parts offered by suppliers that are enthusiasts themselves, and that drive parts development as needed.
Marque provenance; series provenance -- the history, the stories, the press cars, stuff like that ---all add to the conversation and make ownership fun to share with other car guys
There aren't a lot of project cars of a design/look worth having where there is such a wide availability of solid possibilities at low price.
*Still great availability of inexpensive examples needing light refresh
*Strong, solid mechanicals and body. Overdesigned and overbuilt.
*Original paint of such high quality, despite being 30-ish years old, that can gleam with light compounding.
*Super cool retro shapes / forms / fit / finish
*Amazingly easy to "modernize" the look with inexpensive tire/wheel substitutions
*Heavy body panels, stitched together with great welds.
*Aluminum panels on the 928 that seem superior to steel for dent resistance.
*Quite rust resistant due to well-executed galvanization and primer coats
*Overdesigned basic engine components
*Nearly trackable in street form; 928 in particular has a track suspension out of the box from the factory.
*With maintenance catchup completed, these GT cars are dead-nuts reliable, long distance cruisers
*Extensive documentation, mechanical and electrical, readily available and sharable
*Smart, savvy and passionate enthusiasts, highly collaborative, connected via net boards, worldwide, day and night --- they communicate openly and have reached critical mass as a knowledge base.
*Wide availability of used parts, including reasonably price body parts, due to combination of enough yearly production of these cars, and importantly, similarities across the build-years.
*Replacement and Performance parts offered by suppliers that are enthusiasts themselves, and that drive parts development as needed.
Marque provenance; series provenance -- the history, the stories, the press cars, stuff like that ---all add to the conversation and make ownership fun to share with other car guys
There aren't a lot of project cars of a design/look worth having where there is such a wide availability of solid possibilities at low price.
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11-01-2015, 10:12 AM
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11-01-2015, 10:17 AM
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11-01-2015, 10:17 AM
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Well done! It's a shame Porsche doesn't make an electric bicycle, even if color-matching handlebars were a $500 option. I converted an old bicycle to electric on the cheap (Hill Topper). Everybody with a car subject to the gas guzzler tax needs to have something like this to meet HAFE (household average fuel economy standards). I think 928 owners also need to have some very simple vehicle to meet a household maintenance anxiety standard.
(Has no one yet substituted an electric motor for their TBF-stricken 928 engine? I'm sure there's plenty of room on the CE panel to wire it up.)
(Has no one yet substituted an electric motor for their TBF-stricken 928 engine? I'm sure there's plenty of room on the CE panel to wire it up.)
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11-01-2015, 10:43 AM
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I just don't understand why one would 'huff and puff on someone else's house'. The author published that paragraph in a car enthusiast publication, and should know not all car enthusiasts are enthusiastic about the same car(s). Don't tread on another's interests - they're another's. And...if you must, don't embarrass yourself by not being entirely factual. Author was on some but not all, and overall tone was condescending. No need for that. Makes him seem like a mean, small person... and he can still go f@*k himself.
11-01-2015, 10:50 AM
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One other thing to support the maintainability of a 928:
This forum.
I don't know how well documented other forums are, but after 6 months of ownership and 6 months of reading this board, there is little that I don't feel I could do if needed. And I'd hope that little bit of uncertainty will dissipate over time as I do more and more.
This forum.
I don't know how well documented other forums are, but after 6 months of ownership and 6 months of reading this board, there is little that I don't feel I could do if needed. And I'd hope that little bit of uncertainty will dissipate over time as I do more and more.