Notices
928 Forum 1978-1995
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: 928 Specialists

Reason for power difference ???

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Aug 17, 2015 | 12:35 PM
  #1  
Andrew.Spaltman's Avatar
Andrew.Spaltman
Thread Starter
Intermediate
 
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 36
Likes: 1
Default Reason for power difference ???

Can anyone tell me if the huge power difference between my Euro M28/22 (310hp) motor and the US M28/20 (235hp) motor is because of the different compression ratio or are the heads different or other?

Sorry to be a bother , I have asked this on my other post , but I am running out of time on the option to purchase a complete US motor as opposed to only the cam for my Euro motor and need all the help I can get.

Thanks guys.


Reply
Old Aug 17, 2015 | 12:54 PM
  #2  
mark kibort's Avatar
mark kibort
Rennlist Member
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 29,828
Likes: 218
From: saratoga, ca
Default

simple..... bigger vavle heads, bigger runners , huge throttle body, higher compression, much better cams. not to mention the less restrictive LHjet mass flow sensor vs the little 1.5x 2" Ljet AFM
Reply
Old Aug 17, 2015 | 01:00 PM
  #3  
Andrew.Spaltman's Avatar
Andrew.Spaltman
Thread Starter
Intermediate
 
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 36
Likes: 1
Default

So there is no way that I can use the heads or at least cams on my Euro motor ?
Reply
Old Aug 17, 2015 | 01:33 PM
  #4  
beran earms's Avatar
beran earms
Pro
 
Joined: Dec 2014
Posts: 648
Likes: 24
From: THE GRANITE STATE
Default

what is the best way to squeak more ponies out of a us? are euro parts interchangeable?
Reply
Old Aug 17, 2015 | 01:38 PM
  #5  
Cosmo Kramer's Avatar
Cosmo Kramer
Race Car
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 4,665
Likes: 196
Default

Originally Posted by Andrew.Spaltman
So there is no way that I can use the heads or at least cams on my Euro motor ?
You can use US cams and heads, but you will loose hp.
Reply
Old Aug 17, 2015 | 01:51 PM
  #6  
123quattro's Avatar
123quattro
Drifting
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 2,973
Likes: 1
From: Farmington Hills, MI
Default

I don't understand your question Andrew. Do you have a Euro engine with a bad cam? I'd just replace the cam if you can find one.

The heads/cams are responsible for the majority of the power difference.
Reply
Old Aug 17, 2015 | 01:53 PM
  #7  
Andrew.Spaltman's Avatar
Andrew.Spaltman
Thread Starter
Intermediate
 
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 36
Likes: 1
Default

Originally Posted by Cosmo Kramer
You can use US cams and heads, but you will loose hp.
Which I most definitely do not want to do, hence all the questions.
Reply
Old Aug 17, 2015 | 01:57 PM
  #8  
Andrew.Spaltman's Avatar
Andrew.Spaltman
Thread Starter
Intermediate
 
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 36
Likes: 1
Default

Originally Posted by 123quattro
I don't understand your question Andrew. Do you have a Euro engine with a bad cam? I'd just replace the cam if you can find one.

The heads/cams are responsible for the majority of the power difference.
I bought the car with a broken cam and the only place I can find a replacement (used) is from the US and I am in South Africa.

I can however get a complete US spec motor here (ironic hey) for a not much more than the cost of the cam.

So I wanted to try and make sure that there was no possible way that I could use the US spec motor without losing 60 odd horses.

Someone mentioned to me that they knew the history of the car that I bought and it had overheating issues , which he suspects that they machined the heads incorrectly which might be causing the cam to break, if that makes any sense ?

It is becoming more and more apparent that I will have to go the route of getting the cam , but now I have the added worry about there being a fault on the head due to the previous 2 owners both having to replace the camshaft.
Reply
Old Aug 17, 2015 | 02:11 PM
  #9  
mark kibort's Avatar
mark kibort
Rennlist Member
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 29,828
Likes: 218
From: saratoga, ca
Default

if you are really worried, pull the motor and pull the heads and machine them. probably not the issue. i would just put the new cam on, that might have been damaged as GB has said and be done with it. again, a US spec motor is a huge difference . (everything on the top of the block! and yes, its all interchangeable for the most part)
Reply
Old Aug 17, 2015 | 02:25 PM
  #10  
Andrew.Spaltman's Avatar
Andrew.Spaltman
Thread Starter
Intermediate
 
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 36
Likes: 1
Default

Second day I had the car I already pulled the motor to make life easier and to check everything.




I am going to stop beating myself up about this and simply spend the money on the cam and rebuild.
Still have to check if I have any bent valves.
Any ideas on how to do that without removing the heads ??
Reply
Old Aug 17, 2015 | 05:47 PM
  #11  
85euro928's Avatar
85euro928
Three Wheelin'
 
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,334
Likes: 88
From: Hampster Bays, LI
Default

Good luck.

Last edited by 85euro928; Aug 17, 2015 at 05:55 PM. Reason: Just saw the OP has two posts going:/
Reply
Old Aug 17, 2015 | 05:55 PM
  #12  
85euro928's Avatar
85euro928
Three Wheelin'
 
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,334
Likes: 88
From: Hampster Bays, LI
Default

Gotta love RL on your phone.

Last edited by 85euro928; Aug 17, 2015 at 05:58 PM. Reason: Dual Post
Reply
Old Aug 17, 2015 | 06:24 PM
  #13  
123quattro's Avatar
123quattro
Drifting
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 2,973
Likes: 1
From: Farmington Hills, MI
Default

Without being able to spin the engine, I don't know of a way to check for bent valves. You can't do a compression test like it sits.

If the engine is already out it's not a big deal to pull the valves. However, if you have bent valves, I would expect to see witness marks in the top of the piston as well.
Reply
Old Aug 17, 2015 | 07:24 PM
  #14  
dr bob's Avatar
dr bob
Chronic Tool Dropper
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
 
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 20,506
Likes: 564
From: Bend, Oregon
Default

Check for bent valves with a leakdown test. The test puts air pressure in the cylider with piston at TDC on the compression stroke. The 'leakdown' test is a flow measurement through a precision orifice, with pressure upstream and downstream of the orifice used to figure out how much air passes through bent valves and/or leaking rings.

For just a simple test go/no go on valve leakage, you can put each cylinder at TDC and put air pressure on them. It doesn't take much, and you really don't want a lot since you risk the air spinning the engine. Test is usually done with 100 PSI to make the flow test easy, less needed to just listem to the exhaust and intake for leaking air through a bent valve.
Reply
Old Aug 18, 2015 | 12:46 AM
  #15  
Andrew.Spaltman's Avatar
Andrew.Spaltman
Thread Starter
Intermediate
 
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 36
Likes: 1
Default

Thanks for the advice guys.

Very much appreciated.

Hopefully one day when all is said and done, I can also be a 928 expert !
Reply




All times are GMT -3. The time now is 04:26 PM.