How many recognize THIS car????
08-04-2015, 04:44 PM
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How many recognize THIS car????
This car is even easier to identify than the 'mug shot' of the owner (last pix). IT, and the history of the 928 are quite well represented in this posting from Hemmings Sports and Exotic weekly newsletter. My guess is the article and pix will be in an upcoming issue of the magazine with the same title. Here's a hint - max is part of it's name!
http://www.hemmings.com/hsx/stories/...efer=hsxweekly
Too bad it probably won't be at the expose' of Carmel by the Sea, it would be a great addition to those already scheduled to be there.
Great car and a great guy. Thanks for sharing it with us so often Ed, and congratulations on the publicity for both your car and the 928 in general.
http://www.hemmings.com/hsx/stories/...efer=hsxweekly
Too bad it probably won't be at the expose' of Carmel by the Sea, it would be a great addition to those already scheduled to be there.
Great car and a great guy. Thanks for sharing it with us so often Ed, and congratulations on the publicity for both your car and the 928 in general.
08-04-2015, 05:55 PM
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That's certainly among the most favorable reviews of the cars and their history. Premium examples like Ed's will continue to carry the flag well when it comes to publicity. Keep up the great work!
The article's comments on maintenance and costs were mixed; with high initial recovery costs mentioned for the under-maintained low-dollar examples. Then a better reference to how the maintenance costs are no more than for a similar 911. Perhaps the most telling difference is finding a place that will work (competently) on a 928. Just by sheer volume, there are a lot more 911 shops around. And unfortunately the depressed market is a self-feeding problem; it may not seem worth spending the right money on maintenance tasks when the market doesn't seem to reward the effort and cost. Especially if you end up paying a premium price for dodgy repair talent.
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I had the opportunity to visit a '87 S4 at a local repair shop today to help with diagnosis of a failed MAF. Engine bay is a bit ratty, with a peeling rattle-can silver on the intake and cam covers. It was recently in for it's second recent intake removal per the shop people, this time for a throttle position switch. We didn't discuss all the work done in either effort, but it still had original injectors, vapor hoses and such after two known intake R&R's. So it looks like it's a case of only fixing what's immediately broken, and in the end costing more as parts are replaced piecemeal. It's not helping the market for these cars when potentially nice ones are drifting farther and farther down that slippery slope of disrepair.
So keep the cars good, and we'll see more press featuring these wonderful cars. It's everybody pulling together that will ultimately keep the market intact.
The article's comments on maintenance and costs were mixed; with high initial recovery costs mentioned for the under-maintained low-dollar examples. Then a better reference to how the maintenance costs are no more than for a similar 911. Perhaps the most telling difference is finding a place that will work (competently) on a 928. Just by sheer volume, there are a lot more 911 shops around. And unfortunately the depressed market is a self-feeding problem; it may not seem worth spending the right money on maintenance tasks when the market doesn't seem to reward the effort and cost. Especially if you end up paying a premium price for dodgy repair talent.
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I had the opportunity to visit a '87 S4 at a local repair shop today to help with diagnosis of a failed MAF. Engine bay is a bit ratty, with a peeling rattle-can silver on the intake and cam covers. It was recently in for it's second recent intake removal per the shop people, this time for a throttle position switch. We didn't discuss all the work done in either effort, but it still had original injectors, vapor hoses and such after two known intake R&R's. So it looks like it's a case of only fixing what's immediately broken, and in the end costing more as parts are replaced piecemeal. It's not helping the market for these cars when potentially nice ones are drifting farther and farther down that slippery slope of disrepair.
So keep the cars good, and we'll see more press featuring these wonderful cars. It's everybody pulling together that will ultimately keep the market intact.
08-04-2015, 07:41 PM
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I am again disappointed to see the 'buy the best car you can afford' mantra gibberish. Buy the car that you can knowledgably work on yourself. For some, that will be a pristine example, for others we buy marginal cars which would otherwise head for the breakers yard and get them back on the road to recovery.
What kills the 928 is exotic car labor costs. I went into my indy garage the other day to ask about work on my Mini Cooper. Shop rate on that car is $89/hour billed by the book. If the book says 11.5 hours to do the timing chain, then I know my price for the timing chain almost to the dollar. I asked about the 928, and it's 'flat rate $119/hour however long it takes'. This is not uncommon which pushes the 928 into the hands of someone who won't maintain it, or those who are DIY, with varying degrees of competence.
I CAN afford an older, poorly maintained car because I have some modest skills under the hood, and I also have help nearby. If we relegate these poorly maintained cars to the scrap heap, we are reinforcing the death rattle of the 928. Only those pristine, or near-perfect cars will remain, and for that, all 928 lovers lose.
What kills the 928 is exotic car labor costs. I went into my indy garage the other day to ask about work on my Mini Cooper. Shop rate on that car is $89/hour billed by the book. If the book says 11.5 hours to do the timing chain, then I know my price for the timing chain almost to the dollar. I asked about the 928, and it's 'flat rate $119/hour however long it takes'. This is not uncommon which pushes the 928 into the hands of someone who won't maintain it, or those who are DIY, with varying degrees of competence.
I CAN afford an older, poorly maintained car because I have some modest skills under the hood, and I also have help nearby. If we relegate these poorly maintained cars to the scrap heap, we are reinforcing the death rattle of the 928. Only those pristine, or near-perfect cars will remain, and for that, all 928 lovers lose.
08-04-2015, 07:47 PM
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Hey, I know that car and that guy! 
Beautiful car.
The best example of an early car I ever had the chance to see.
Simply amazing.
Super nice owner too!
Thanks for sharing Gary.
See you guys in September.
Beautiful car.
The best example of an early car I ever had the chance to see.
Simply amazing.
Super nice owner too!
Thanks for sharing Gary.
See you guys in September.
08-04-2015, 09:17 PM
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EE.
Epic.
Enzo.
Favorable article after the obligatory glove swat..."Rodney Dangerfield of Porsches", in the opening line?
Thereafter it is pretty good though, and comprehensive.
Epic.
Enzo.
Favorable article after the obligatory glove swat..."Rodney Dangerfield of Porsches", in the opening line?
Thereafter it is pretty good though, and comprehensive.
08-04-2015, 10:15 PM
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thanks for the kudos folks, Enzo or not. See (many of) you in September!
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08-05-2015, 12:17 AM
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I am again disappointed to see the 'buy the best car you can afford' mantra gibberish. Buy the car that you can knowledgably work on yourself. For some, that will be a pristine example, for others we buy marginal cars which would otherwise head for the breakers yard and get them back on the road to recovery.
What kills the 928 is exotic car labor costs. I went into my indy garage the other day to ask about work on my Mini Cooper. Shop rate on that car is $89/hour billed by the book. If the book says 11.5 hours to do the timing chain, then I know my price for the timing chain almost to the dollar. I asked about the 928, and it's 'flat rate $119/hour however long it takes'. This is not uncommon which pushes the 928 into the hands of someone who won't maintain it, or those who are DIY, with varying degrees of competence.
I CAN afford an older, poorly maintained car because I have some modest skills under the hood, and I also have help nearby. If we relegate these poorly maintained cars to the scrap heap, we are reinforcing the death rattle of the 928. Only those pristine, or near-perfect cars will remain, and for that, all 928 lovers lose.
What kills the 928 is exotic car labor costs. I went into my indy garage the other day to ask about work on my Mini Cooper. Shop rate on that car is $89/hour billed by the book. If the book says 11.5 hours to do the timing chain, then I know my price for the timing chain almost to the dollar. I asked about the 928, and it's 'flat rate $119/hour however long it takes'. This is not uncommon which pushes the 928 into the hands of someone who won't maintain it, or those who are DIY, with varying degrees of competence.
I CAN afford an older, poorly maintained car because I have some modest skills under the hood, and I also have help nearby. If we relegate these poorly maintained cars to the scrap heap, we are reinforcing the death rattle of the 928. Only those pristine, or near-perfect cars will remain, and for that, all 928 lovers lose.
08-05-2015, 12:52 PM
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This car is even easier to identify than the 'mug shot' of the owner (last pix). IT, and the history of the 928 are quite well represented in this posting from Hemmings Sports and Exotic weekly newsletter. My guess is the article and pix will be in an upcoming issue of the magazine with the same title. Here's a hint - max is part of it's name!
http://www.hemmings.com/hsx/stories/...efer=hsxweekly
Too bad it probably won't be at the expose' of Carmel by the Sea, it would be a great addition to those already scheduled to be there.
Great car and a great guy. Thanks for sharing it with us so often Ed, and congratulations on the publicity for both your car and the 928 in general.
http://www.hemmings.com/hsx/stories/...efer=hsxweekly
Too bad it probably won't be at the expose' of Carmel by the Sea, it would be a great addition to those already scheduled to be there.
Great car and a great guy. Thanks for sharing it with us so often Ed, and congratulations on the publicity for both your car and the 928 in general.
This was in HS&E way back in Dec 2013.https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...8-content.html
08-05-2015, 02:00 PM
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You are too Brother.
..Unless Ed or I have any extra copies, these are long gone. I'll look and add to your book and the other more recent Hemmings magazine that I have for you.
08-05-2015, 03:43 PM
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Very well stated..
Martin beat me to it... but I still want to pile on and say I think Doc has made a strong point. Examples of neglected cars being rejuvenated by competent 928 DIY hobbyists will actually improve the image of 928s generally. It's not helpful to reinforce the perception that only the nicest examples are worth owning. It will cause "savable" cars to go unsaved. In this sense, we have found the enemy - and it is US. It is true that finding the nicest example is the best advice for anyone who is not mechanically inclined, does not want or have time to work on their car, etc. etc. It will be prohibitively expensive to buy a neglected car and pay good mechanic to bring it back to life. But there are people in this community who have skills and patience, and can tell if a car needs mostly their TIME, which they give freely because of a passion for the cars. There are cars that need to give up themselves so others can live, but many appear to be given up on way too quickly.
I am again disappointed to see the 'buy the best car you can afford' mantra gibberish. Buy the car that you can knowledgably work on yourself. For some, that will be a pristine example, for others we buy marginal cars which would otherwise head for the breakers yard and get them back on the road to recovery.
What kills the 928 is exotic car labor costs. I went into my indy garage the other day to ask about work on my Mini Cooper. Shop rate on that car is $89/hour billed by the book. If the book says 11.5 hours to do the timing chain, then I know my price for the timing chain almost to the dollar. I asked about the 928, and it's 'flat rate $119/hour however long it takes'. This is not uncommon which pushes the 928 into the hands of someone who won't maintain it, or those who are DIY, with varying degrees of competence.
I CAN afford an older, poorly maintained car because I have some modest skills under the hood, and I also have help nearby. If we relegate these poorly maintained cars to the scrap heap, we are reinforcing the death rattle of the 928. Only those pristine, or near-perfect cars will remain, and for that, all 928 lovers lose.
What kills the 928 is exotic car labor costs. I went into my indy garage the other day to ask about work on my Mini Cooper. Shop rate on that car is $89/hour billed by the book. If the book says 11.5 hours to do the timing chain, then I know my price for the timing chain almost to the dollar. I asked about the 928, and it's 'flat rate $119/hour however long it takes'. This is not uncommon which pushes the 928 into the hands of someone who won't maintain it, or those who are DIY, with varying degrees of competence.
I CAN afford an older, poorly maintained car because I have some modest skills under the hood, and I also have help nearby. If we relegate these poorly maintained cars to the scrap heap, we are reinforcing the death rattle of the 928. Only those pristine, or near-perfect cars will remain, and for that, all 928 lovers lose.