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Old 05-11-2015, 12:51 PM
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None of the latest production clutch discs (that I've seen) have the balance marks.
Old 05-11-2015, 12:52 PM
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I will do that...Thanks Dave
Old 05-11-2015, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave928S
I have no idea what will happen if you leave it at 50mm, or not adopt the other changes ... but there must be reasons they specified these things ... and went to the expense of making amended parts. They also specifically state to not mix new and old parts.
You have to wonder how many of these cars have spent time running around like this adding to the mystique that these clutches are difficult to adjust / keep adjusted.
Old 05-11-2015, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Hacker-Pschorr
You have to wonder how many of these cars have spent time running around like this adding to the mystique that these clutches are difficult to adjust / keep adjusted.
Exactly ... there are so many iterations of discs, intermediate plates, stub shafts, and flywheels, that I'm sure there are many cars with subtle mismatch of components ... not sufficient to stop clutches operating totally, but enough to reinforce the notion that you need to be a witch doctor, or own a magic wand, to get them working properly.
Old 05-11-2015, 02:28 PM
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BTW....I make a replacement clutch shaft out of 300M, for $395.00, which is a considerable savings over the stock shaft.
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Originally Posted by christiandk
Thats awesome Dave. Thanks.

Usually I an bot this helpless. really

Looked at the old discs....identical ceners. One stamped 77 and one 78. The new ones are different. One has a longer hub/center that the other. I am getting pretty tired of this clutch job........
The rust in the splines of your right clutch disc (in your picture) is one of the huge issues with these clutches. If the clutch hubs can not move freely on the clutch shaft, the clutch will not release properly.

Additionally, the lack of lubricant (and resulting rust) wears the clutch shaft badly. If there is any ridge on the splines on the short shaft....the hubs can get caught on this ridge and not allow the clutch to release. Replace the short shaft if this is the case.

Porsche uses their high pressure Optimoly HT (000 043 024 00) in the clutch area extensively. Not only is it recommended for the clutch disc hubs and splines on the clutch shaft, but they use it between the T/O bearing thrust ring and the pressure plate, as well as on the preload spring for the T/O bearing. Most clutches I see have no lubricant anywhere and the resulting wear is terrible. The T/O bearing pressure ring will wear halfway (or more) through the fingers of the pressure plate or tear off the locating pin and spin on the T/O bearing without this lubricant.

Buy a tube....it has many other issues....and will ensure many trouble free miles of use on these clutches.

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Old 05-11-2015, 03:03 PM
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Great advice Greg. Thank you.
Old 05-11-2015, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by christiandk
Great advice Greg. Thank you.
You are certainly welcome.

I'm always willing to pass on whatever tiny bit of knowledge I have learned.
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Originally Posted by GregBBRD
None of the latest production clutch discs (that I've seen) have the balance marks.
Are modern production methods creating better-balanced discs, or are they just not marking imbalances?
Old 05-11-2015, 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by GregBBRD
BTW....I make a replacement clutch shaft out of 300M, for $395.00, which is a considerable savings over the stock shaft.
... and worth every cent! A superior alternative for DD clutches.
Old 05-11-2015, 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by hwyengr
Are modern production methods creating better-balanced discs, or are they just not marking imbalances?
I judge early and late production by the micro imprinting of the part number around the splined area.

Clearly, the OP has what I'd think to be a later production disc with a balance mark....so obviously what I thought isn't true.

Now I have absolutely no idea of what they are doing.....



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