928 race car #829 found (Bob Devore / DEVEK - HP)
02-10-2015, 07:06 PM
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Any one can buy a lien sale without auction. Any one can file a lien, only question is whether the lien is valid or not when challenged.
I hired a contractor to build my wall and provided a license # belong to another contractor. The permit for building the wall was not pulled so city said it's not to code. Since the wall built is not to code by unlicensed contractor, I didn't have to pay since it was over $750 according to CSLB. They filed a lien and I got CSLB to certify to court and the judge rule the lien invalid so it got removed from my property.
BAR license requires shops to show customer old replaced parts, not just writing on the bill what the shop replaced. If customer don't see old parts, they can refuse payment and BAR will side with customer.
Even if a business is just parting cars they must have licenses (Business License and DMV Dismantler License) and numerous other permits (EPA, etc.. ) so it's not just hang up a sign and start parting cars for parts to sell. Recycling business take in paper and metal must also have licenses and permits, can't just hang a sign in front to buy scraps and stolen metals.
I am not a lawyer but did get in bed with one.
I hired a contractor to build my wall and provided a license # belong to another contractor. The permit for building the wall was not pulled so city said it's not to code. Since the wall built is not to code by unlicensed contractor, I didn't have to pay since it was over $750 according to CSLB. They filed a lien and I got CSLB to certify to court and the judge rule the lien invalid so it got removed from my property.
BAR license requires shops to show customer old replaced parts, not just writing on the bill what the shop replaced. If customer don't see old parts, they can refuse payment and BAR will side with customer.
Even if a business is just parting cars they must have licenses (Business License and DMV Dismantler License) and numerous other permits (EPA, etc.. ) so it's not just hang up a sign and start parting cars for parts to sell. Recycling business take in paper and metal must also have licenses and permits, can't just hang a sign in front to buy scraps and stolen metals.
I am not a lawyer but did get in bed with one.
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02-10-2015, 08:24 PM
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You're 100% Right Barry!
We all have an opinion here... and being an adult, I tend to form my own based on actual facts that I have been privy to observe or be a part of... versus the 'jump on the bandwagon' approach.
IMHO:
1. since the shop is not a registered shop -they can't claim a mechanics' lien.
2. since the shop is not a registered storage facility -they can't claim storage fees
3. since the shop has neither a signed work order nor storage contract to provide either service -they can't perform a lien sale for said unpaid service.
4. I believe MM has a positive case for the car (from what is shown in this thread)
5. IF they are really not citizens (Nigerian illegals), they can skip the country with whomever's money and/or car.
But then again, we are talking about Kalifornia and when it comes to laws and an individual's rights -they tend to make it up as they go along (ie. 2nd Amendment).
Good Luck Maverick!
IMHO:
1. since the shop is not a registered shop -they can't claim a mechanics' lien.
2. since the shop is not a registered storage facility -they can't claim storage fees
3. since the shop has neither a signed work order nor storage contract to provide either service -they can't perform a lien sale for said unpaid service.
4. I believe MM has a positive case for the car (from what is shown in this thread)
5. IF they are really not citizens (Nigerian illegals), they can skip the country with whomever's money and/or car.
But then again, we are talking about Kalifornia and when it comes to laws and an individual's rights -they tend to make it up as they go along (ie. 2nd Amendment).
Good Luck Maverick!
It's really very simple.
That BISIMOTO is an unlicensed automotive repair shop and and has no legal authority to conduct a LINE SALE or charge Storage fees whatsoever.
It's as simple as that.
02-10-2015, 08:25 PM
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Nordschleife Master
IIRC - Red Mclintock is one of the other guys behind Devek. A search here for his name will probably bring up some old posts referring to him, Bob Devore and Lucky Eckman. Those records the DMV has are probably correct, albeit very old.
02-10-2015, 08:30 PM
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Also, please note that we NEVER claimed to be an automotive repair shop. All of our licenses are proper. This gentleman (* if I may use this word loosely) is looking to stir up trouble. All he had to do was to pay for the items that we purchased that we cannot return. We are not interested in all of these games and lies and deceit.
For that gentleman to accuse and point fingers and pull the "race" card is an extremely low blow. No class, many aliases, no money, many excuses, improper grammer for a "graduate"... the list goes on and on.. If things were done as promised and appropriately the first time, none of this would be happening as we speak. We deal with hundreds of clients and have never come across such a thing.
Allow history to dictate one's character.
For that gentleman to accuse and point fingers and pull the "race" card is an extremely low blow. No class, many aliases, no money, many excuses, improper grammer for a "graduate"... the list goes on and on.. If things were done as promised and appropriately the first time, none of this would be happening as we speak. We deal with hundreds of clients and have never come across such a thing.
Allow history to dictate one's character.
02-10-2015, 08:32 PM
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We all have an opinion here... and being an adult, I tend to form my own based on actual facts that I have been privy to observe or be a part of... versus the 'jump on the bandwagon' approach.
IMHO:
1. since the shop is not a registered shop -they can't claim a mechanics' lien.
2. since the shop is not a registered storage facility -they can't claim storage fees
3. since the shop has neither a signed work order nor storage contract to provide either service -they can't perform a lien sale for said unpaid service.
4. I believe MM has a positive case for the car (from what is shown in this thread)
5. IF they are really not citizens (Nigerian illegals), they can skip the country with whomever's money and/or car.
But then again, we are talking about Kalifornia and when it comes to laws and an individual's rights -they tend to make it up as they go along (ie. 2nd Amendment).
Good Luck Maverick!
IMHO:
1. since the shop is not a registered shop -they can't claim a mechanics' lien.
2. since the shop is not a registered storage facility -they can't claim storage fees
3. since the shop has neither a signed work order nor storage contract to provide either service -they can't perform a lien sale for said unpaid service.
4. I believe MM has a positive case for the car (from what is shown in this thread)
5. IF they are really not citizens (Nigerian illegals), they can skip the country with whomever's money and/or car.
But then again, we are talking about Kalifornia and when it comes to laws and an individual's rights -they tend to make it up as they go along (ie. 2nd Amendment).
Good Luck Maverick!
I say it's the shops car to sell.
And how did Maverick come to own this car in the first place?
I'd like to know this part of the story...How did Maverick become its owner?
02-10-2015, 08:37 PM
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Three Wheelin'
I am having problems understanding an auction that mentions Bob Devore, Rob Mcclintock and Lucky Eckman but completely omits Maverick Mann as either an owner or interested party. I would like to hear from that911 exactly what was done to the car that 14K is owed.
02-10-2015, 08:50 PM
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Nordschleife Master
Devek was all three of them including Red McClintock.
http://928oc.org/928oc_928s4vr/devore.htm
Or from Jim Bailey:
http://928oc.org/928oc_928s4vr/devore.htm
Or from Jim Bailey:
Marc ...<snip> By the time you joined Devek as a sales and marketing specialist , Bob was dead and Red McClintock was the main wrench who had years of Porsche experience . After his sudden death there was no one left to do the mechanical work ........ did I leave anything out of that story ?
02-10-2015, 08:54 PM
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Me and My "Bad Reputation" and The Facts...
IF you have clean title to the car Maverick, negotiate a fair price with the shop, pay that911 for the STORAGE of your car and be done with it....lots cheaper than a lawsuit and legal fees. That's how adults who take responsibility for our actions act in a civilized world. You need to grow up.
Most of us on Rennlist have some idea of YOUR reputation, Maverick. Calling the mechanics names, flaming them and slandering them, Nigerian or otherwise, doesn't help. In fact, one might say, legitimately, that "its the pot calling the kettle black"!
Maverick Manns is not listed by name as previous owners that have been shown on the CA DMV provided by that911 (it DOES show Devek so it looks legit). None of us have any evidence that your claims or anybody else's claims is legit, or to the validity of any documents on here. But since that911 has produced something LOOKING official from a court, and your name is not there, how can you own the car legally?
Is ANOTHER alias of yours is Red McClintock of Berkeley CA, on top of Maverick Mann, Maverick Marsalis, Derek Kelly, "Harvard MBA", "16 year old pilot", "Porsche 928 outlaw", "treasury bond counter fitter", "**** filmmaker", and "Texas mile at 203 MPH"?
I've had enough B.S. about this nice car, the mechanic who may not have a licence/bond/insurance, and especially about Maverick. How many names, lies and BS can one jaggoff produce? Maverick Manns and all the other history that comes with your reputation indicate that you meet the definition of a sociopath and are in need psychological help (yes I am a doctor, yes I slept at a Holiday Inn last night, and yes you are a douche).
Go troll somewhere else little Maverickman/Exconcriminal. I think that this whole thing is some stupid scam thought up by Maverick and his associates "the Nigerian mechanics", as a disturbed way to sell a car that he doesn't have a title for. Sad really, for the car. I'm sick of this thread, I think its a scam, and I feel the moderators should close it. I'd buy that car for $1 just to **** you off Maverick.....but I won't, cause I don't want to have to deal with YOU for the rest of my life. I'm sure i'm not the first to tell you, "Don't go away mad, just go away".
Most of us on Rennlist have some idea of YOUR reputation, Maverick. Calling the mechanics names, flaming them and slandering them, Nigerian or otherwise, doesn't help. In fact, one might say, legitimately, that "its the pot calling the kettle black"!
Maverick Manns is not listed by name as previous owners that have been shown on the CA DMV provided by that911 (it DOES show Devek so it looks legit). None of us have any evidence that your claims or anybody else's claims is legit, or to the validity of any documents on here. But since that911 has produced something LOOKING official from a court, and your name is not there, how can you own the car legally?
Is ANOTHER alias of yours is Red McClintock of Berkeley CA, on top of Maverick Mann, Maverick Marsalis, Derek Kelly, "Harvard MBA", "16 year old pilot", "Porsche 928 outlaw", "treasury bond counter fitter", "**** filmmaker", and "Texas mile at 203 MPH"?
I've had enough B.S. about this nice car, the mechanic who may not have a licence/bond/insurance, and especially about Maverick. How many names, lies and BS can one jaggoff produce? Maverick Manns and all the other history that comes with your reputation indicate that you meet the definition of a sociopath and are in need psychological help (yes I am a doctor, yes I slept at a Holiday Inn last night, and yes you are a douche).
Go troll somewhere else little Maverickman/Exconcriminal. I think that this whole thing is some stupid scam thought up by Maverick and his associates "the Nigerian mechanics", as a disturbed way to sell a car that he doesn't have a title for. Sad really, for the car. I'm sick of this thread, I think its a scam, and I feel the moderators should close it. I'd buy that car for $1 just to **** you off Maverick.....but I won't, cause I don't want to have to deal with YOU for the rest of my life. I'm sure i'm not the first to tell you, "Don't go away mad, just go away".
I really don't care what you think.
It does not change the facts of this case or what I'm dealing with around my car.
The man is in fact, a Nigerian and...
I do have a bad reputation those are both facts.
Now I'm sure you'd love for me to go away quietly and help yourself to my car for $1 buck with the malice you vent and spewed here on me.
But I'm not going anywhere. (as long as the moderator will give me a voice here to address MY ISSUE ) I'm going to RESPECTFULLY do that prescott.
Even though...
Your logic is really off color (no pun intended) but I do suppose that you're of the opinion that your $1 buy of my car would "**** me off" .
Frankly, I'm not that petty or trivial.
But to the contrary I'd be delighted if you did.
It would just further validate the debasement of you and all that you and your opinion carries with a me.
ZERO Prescott...
and that's with my "bad reputation" included.
02-10-2015, 09:23 PM
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Nordschleife Master
You must care what someone here thinks Mav, otherwise you wouldn't keep posting. After so many years in the broader 928 community without posting here, for you suddenly decide to create a (new) account, there has to be an agenda, and its undoubtedly not because you have a good heart
.So what is it you're trying to achieve?
02-10-2015, 09:42 PM
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Wow, can't believe I missed this thread. As someone who's been around RL since the PorscheFans email list days, I'm finding this very interesting. (I have to say I'm leaning towards the shop owner after his last post, but Mav could win me back over with more emoticons and maybe a new text color)
I have to ask, why does a shop need a license in CA? Here in Texas you don't even need a lift to be a repair shop :-) (no offense to any DFW area 928 mechanics)
I have to ask, why does a shop need a license in CA? Here in Texas you don't even need a lift to be a repair shop :-) (no offense to any DFW area 928 mechanics)
02-10-2015, 10:01 PM
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CA has license for everything. Business license also have additional vehicle fees for each of the business related vehicles. There are lots of other fees and licenses just to do business in CA. Good thing is it protects consumers from fraud and protect legitimate business from fraudulent individual.
Here's an example : licensee for painting can not do roofing or landscaping. Excavation licensee can not do demolition , even when they use the same equipment.
Qualifiers – CSLB is now able to discipline a qualifier and the licensed entity they are qualifying when the qualifier is not actively involved in the construction activities of the license they are representing. In addition to administrative penalties, the individual falsely serving as a qualifier on the license can be charged with a misdemeanor, and be sentenced to serve up to six months in jail, and pay a fine from $3,000-$5,000, or both, if convicted. SB 262 amended §7068.1 of the B&P Code.
Here's an example : licensee for painting can not do roofing or landscaping. Excavation licensee can not do demolition , even when they use the same equipment.
Qualifiers – CSLB is now able to discipline a qualifier and the licensed entity they are qualifying when the qualifier is not actively involved in the construction activities of the license they are representing. In addition to administrative penalties, the individual falsely serving as a qualifier on the license can be charged with a misdemeanor, and be sentenced to serve up to six months in jail, and pay a fine from $3,000-$5,000, or both, if convicted. SB 262 amended §7068.1 of the B&P Code.
02-10-2015, 10:47 PM
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I'm with Doc on this. If someone were to buy the car and leave the state immediately with a clear, unambiguous, bill of sale, etc., then get it titled in their home state (not CA) ASAP, that person would probably be in the clear. Then if there was still a dispute, it would be a financial matter between ExConCriminal and the shop.
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02-10-2015, 11:03 PM
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I have to admit, I'm getting caught up in this "reality show." Someone else asked this too, but unless I missed it: If the shop is not claiming to be a licensed repair shop, what kind of shop are they, and why do they have the car? And if they are acknowledging that the car is with them because of some arrangement with Maverick that he has failed to fulfill, why are they not acknowledging this in their legal docs? Finally, if Maverick has actually filed all the legal stuff as claimed, shouldn't we, as the official Rennlist Reality Show audience, get to see that legal paperwork as well? I can't wait for the next episode!