Panorama magazine
10-23-2014 | 11:56 PM
#46
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Hey Jarrod, please don't let intimidation stand in the way of sharing your story! That said, I think I printed out the first article I ever sent something like 30 times in the college computer lab and obsessed over it before sending it in. I was terrified. But it was published. And if a guy who got bounced out of high-school AP English ("You're going nowhere in English," said the teacher of the year) can get published, I suspect anyone can. Some of the best content I've received over the years has come from owners with a story to tell. Some of the worst has, as well. The difference seemed to be in two things: 1) The great stories were the result of hard work yet felt effortless and "right," and 2) the owner/writers all shared a similar attitude: "I'd like to take a shot at it, but if you don't like it, no problem—and I'll help whichever pro writer you want to assign as a backup plan."
With regards to info about your car, the sad thing is the PCNA records most likely to be of use were lost in the move from Reno to Atlanta. I've been told they were simply thrown out, despite protests. People in Germany who might have the information you're after can get prickly about individual cars, and especially in a case where the car was once a Porsche executive's vehicle. That's not to say there isn't someone, somewhere. It took some cajoling, but we finally learned the real story behind a 1997 986 with a factory prototype 2.7-liter engine that somehow got out the back door and is now happily driving around the Bay Area with experimental parts in the engine. That was a big payoff, and worth pressing contacts for.
I'll say one thing, though: If that's your GT in your avatar, it's plain gorgeous. Cool color, great wheels, sits nice.
Sounds like you get it, and sounds like I'd like your stuff...
With regards to info about your car, the sad thing is the PCNA records most likely to be of use were lost in the move from Reno to Atlanta. I've been told they were simply thrown out, despite protests. People in Germany who might have the information you're after can get prickly about individual cars, and especially in a case where the car was once a Porsche executive's vehicle. That's not to say there isn't someone, somewhere. It took some cajoling, but we finally learned the real story behind a 1997 986 with a factory prototype 2.7-liter engine that somehow got out the back door and is now happily driving around the Bay Area with experimental parts in the engine. That was a big payoff, and worth pressing contacts for.
I'll say one thing, though: If that's your GT in your avatar, it's plain gorgeous. Cool color, great wheels, sits nice.
Sounds like you get it, and sounds like I'd like your stuff...
Yes, the avatar is my '90 928GT. I take great pride in attention to detail and appreciate your kind words.
Regarding research, I've taken it about as far as I can without contacting the two previous owners - something I'm very hesitant to do because of privacy considerations. The circumstantial evidence of PCNA executive use is fairly strong, just no official proof. At this point, I'd be happy just to get some confirmation from Porsche either way - no need for them to provide an individual's name. If you, or anyone else reading this, can provide assistance within Porsche AG, I'd greatly appreciate it.
10-24-2014 | 01:26 AM
#47
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What are your opinions on this privacy issue? I've been very curious about the history of my 928 and thinking about writing to past owners to learn more. It has to be an unusual and interesting story. 34 years with 6 prior owners, but only 12,150 miles on it when it showed up totally unannounced at an auction with no reserve.
The first owner was a L.A. garage, no longer in business. Then a man in that area, who I suspect died as it next showed up in Phoenix being sold by his son to a local man who moved to MN. Then a guy in WI, who sold it to a very hard to find on the Net Motor Sports company in Ft. Worth, who put it in the auction.The second owner had pin stripes added by somebody who signs his work "Rick" in 1991. (I found two pin stripe artists named Rick, but both said it was not their work.) Google Earth shows that none of the private owners lived in big homes in fancy neighborhoods where you might expect a car collector to just store classics.
I would be happy to share stories of my ownership of any car I've owned with a current owner, but I don't want to offend anybody by asking if that is seen as a problem. What think?
Brad
The first owner was a L.A. garage, no longer in business. Then a man in that area, who I suspect died as it next showed up in Phoenix being sold by his son to a local man who moved to MN. Then a guy in WI, who sold it to a very hard to find on the Net Motor Sports company in Ft. Worth, who put it in the auction.The second owner had pin stripes added by somebody who signs his work "Rick" in 1991. (I found two pin stripe artists named Rick, but both said it was not their work.) Google Earth shows that none of the private owners lived in big homes in fancy neighborhoods where you might expect a car collector to just store classics.
I would be happy to share stories of my ownership of any car I've owned with a current owner, but I don't want to offend anybody by asking if that is seen as a problem. What think?
Brad
10-24-2014 | 01:41 AM
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What are your opinions on this privacy issue? I've been very curious about the history of my 928 and thinking about writing to past owners to learn more. It has to be an unusual and interesting story. 34 years with 6 prior owners, but only 12,150 miles on it when it showed up totally unannounced at an auction with no reserve.
The first owner was a L.A. garage, no longer in business. Then a man in that area, who I suspect died as it next showed up in Phoenix being sold by his son to a local man who moved to MN. Then a guy in WI, who sold it to a very hard to find on the Net Motor Sports company in Ft. Worth, who put it in the auction.The second owner had pin stripes added by somebody who signs his work "Rick" in 1991. (I found two pin stripe artists named Rick, but both said it was not their work.) Google Earth shows that none of the private owners lived in big homes in fancy neighborhoods where you might expect a car collector to just store classics.
I would be happy to share stories of my ownership of any car I've owned with a current owner, but I don't want to offend anybody by asking if that is seen as a problem. What think?
Brad
The first owner was a L.A. garage, no longer in business. Then a man in that area, who I suspect died as it next showed up in Phoenix being sold by his son to a local man who moved to MN. Then a guy in WI, who sold it to a very hard to find on the Net Motor Sports company in Ft. Worth, who put it in the auction.The second owner had pin stripes added by somebody who signs his work "Rick" in 1991. (I found two pin stripe artists named Rick, but both said it was not their work.) Google Earth shows that none of the private owners lived in big homes in fancy neighborhoods where you might expect a car collector to just store classics.
I would be happy to share stories of my ownership of any car I've owned with a current owner, but I don't want to offend anybody by asking if that is seen as a problem. What think?
Brad
10-24-2014 | 09:23 AM
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[QUOTE=Shawn Stanford;11745917]
Or the story of some mook from Philly who chopped the ****e out of his 928 and painted it blue and orange.
LOL, I just caught this..
But for the record Shawn i didn't cut anything.
I'll edit for you; Or the story of some mook from Philly who deleted the ****e out of his 928 and painted it blue and orange..YUK !
I did drill a few items, but never touched the unit body or doors and new uncut hood.
Or the story of some mook from Philly who chopped the ****e out of his 928 and painted it blue and orange.
LOL, I just caught this..
But for the record Shawn i didn't cut anything.
I'll edit for you; Or the story of some mook from Philly who deleted the ****e out of his 928 and painted it blue and orange..YUK !
I did drill a few items, but never touched the unit body or doors and new uncut hood.
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10-24-2014 | 06:48 PM
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Here's you chance to find out, Pete: http://www.flussigmagazine.com/11/po...the-woods.html
Thanks for the link!!
pete
10-24-2014 | 11:29 PM
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I've had Oldfrats car here all week and the closer I look at this 12,xxx mile car, I think it would make a great Panorama story. This thing is sweet.
As said, many of us in the DFW area had a bad taste in our mouths about PCA back in the mid 2000's and that has since changed greatly. We've got such a huge 928 club here that we've not really had a need for PCA so when a couple of us were slighted, it wasn't a big deal. Once we found out if we actually got involved the story changed. I know a lot of the PCA guys just from my postings on FB with the work I do and each event we get to, the reaction is really impressive.
Wish I had more time on my hands to participate.
As said, many of us in the DFW area had a bad taste in our mouths about PCA back in the mid 2000's and that has since changed greatly. We've got such a huge 928 club here that we've not really had a need for PCA so when a couple of us were slighted, it wasn't a big deal. Once we found out if we actually got involved the story changed. I know a lot of the PCA guys just from my postings on FB with the work I do and each event we get to, the reaction is really impressive.
Wish I had more time on my hands to participate.
10-26-2014 | 12:01 PM
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I think a great angle for an article would be something to the effect of "why the 928 should be considered a real Porsche". We all know on this site but I think a lot of Porsche people don't think it should be. Unfortunate people who have been cornered at cocktail parties have heard my multi-point explanation of why this was the car I have lusted after since I was a teenager. I'm sure I could write it down if somebody threatened to do something with it.
I'd put my purely amateur writing talents to work on it if nobody else wants to. Until this thread I had never considered the possibility of writing an article.
I suppose it could be "crowd-sourced" online as well. At least check facts, add more info, etc.
I'd put my purely amateur writing talents to work on it if nobody else wants to. Until this thread I had never considered the possibility of writing an article.
I suppose it could be "crowd-sourced" online as well. At least check facts, add more info, etc.
10-26-2014 | 01:04 PM
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I think a great angle for an article would be something to the effect of "why the 928 should be considered a real Porsche". We all know on this site but I think a lot of Porsche people don't think it should be. Unfortunate people who have been cornered at cocktail parties have heard my multi-point explanation of why this was the car I have lusted after since I was a teenager. I'm sure I could write it down if somebody threatened to do something with it.
I'd put my purely amateur writing talents to work on it if nobody else wants to. Until this thread I had never considered the possibility of writing an article.
I suppose it could be "crowd-sourced" online as well. At least check facts, add more info, etc.
I'd put my purely amateur writing talents to work on it if nobody else wants to. Until this thread I had never considered the possibility of writing an article.
I suppose it could be "crowd-sourced" online as well. At least check facts, add more info, etc.
If anyone is interested in taking a look.......
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10-26-2014 | 01:31 PM
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Was in the M/C magazine bus for ten years primarily on the right hand read side (advertising). Occasionally got the opportunity to "cross the line" with some motorcycle and product reviews which was fun. Was always surprised by the volume of submissions, good and bad for ones motorcycle(s) to the editorial staff. That being said, very nice of Mr. Stout to chime in here knowing how busy he is and will continue our subscription to your wonderful publication. T
10-26-2014 | 02:24 PM
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[QUOTE=928wolf;11753219]I think a great angle for an article would be something to the effect of "why the 928 should be considered a real Porsche".
Yesterday at the big cars and coffee thewere PCA members were in high numbers (90% 911 owners), more than i few ask to see the motor, not knowing much of anything about them and very pleased to see it there.
These guys and a few woman really liked the car which surprised me.
They didn't turn their noses up at all.
I had a hard time getting out of there when three guys wouldn't allow the convo to end. A 911 owner doing mods to his '70 T told me he and i were kindred spirits. It was very cool. So i don't think anymore that they are not regarded as a real Porsche. They sure liked the sound of mine !!
Pete should have a story written about this 928 community. Have Shawn (mudman) do it.
It's really impressive how everyone here keeps them all going.
Touch on the great people keeping them running, making improvements to the drive train, racing them (currently), selling the parts, modifying them for better performance, pricing info, where they are headed etc.. Not a novel just 4-5 pages because Pete has to consider who subscribes i am sure. It would be tough to decide who to include as there are so many great people and 928s.
That way it's more of an introduction to owning a 928 and how they fit within the Porsche hobby currently,
not just plucking one person or car out of the herd of other well deserving cars and owners.
Yesterday at the big cars and coffee thewere PCA members were in high numbers (90% 911 owners), more than i few ask to see the motor, not knowing much of anything about them and very pleased to see it there.
These guys and a few woman really liked the car which surprised me.
They didn't turn their noses up at all.
I had a hard time getting out of there when three guys wouldn't allow the convo to end. A 911 owner doing mods to his '70 T told me he and i were kindred spirits. It was very cool. So i don't think anymore that they are not regarded as a real Porsche. They sure liked the sound of mine !!
Pete should have a story written about this 928 community. Have Shawn (mudman) do it.
It's really impressive how everyone here keeps them all going.
Touch on the great people keeping them running, making improvements to the drive train, racing them (currently), selling the parts, modifying them for better performance, pricing info, where they are headed etc.. Not a novel just 4-5 pages because Pete has to consider who subscribes i am sure. It would be tough to decide who to include as there are so many great people and 928s.
That way it's more of an introduction to owning a 928 and how they fit within the Porsche hobby currently,
not just plucking one person or car out of the herd of other well deserving cars and owners.
10-26-2014 | 03:09 PM
#58
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I already looked at that idea..and you're right they liked it. I still may do it for the final car. But it's silly really.
10-26-2014 | 03:24 PM
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IMHO, do it. The original owners aren’t getting any younger. I struggled with the idea for a couple years and when I finally decided to do it and googled his address, I found his obituary and that he had just passed a couple months prior. I really regret not making contact—I somehow think he would have enjoyed it.
10-26-2014 | 06:55 PM
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