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Old 07-29-2003, 12:40 AM
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Hello All,

I just got back from the Pony Express Open Road Race. The 928 drivers
did very well.

Rich Sanders drove his 80 Ex-Callaway/83 Euro S to a 1st place finish in
the 125 mph class with a 125.016 mph average over the 83.55 mile course.
Rich had gas trouble last month at the Bonneville 100, and navigated for me
and guided me to a 2nd place finish in the 145 mph class.

Bill, 89 S4,finished 4th in the same class with a 125.398 mph average.
This was Bill's second Pony, he ran in the 110 class last year.

Dave and Tom Moore finished 3rd in the 110 class with a 109.981 mph
average. Tom had signed up in his 87 S4 in the 130 class, but the car
was totalled two weeks ago, so Dave drove his 98 GS400.

I had a new navigator for this event, Tim Bosserman. We also did pretty
well also, with a 2nd place finish in the 145 mph class with a 145.055 mph
average.

I'll post photos and a write up on my site later this week.


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Old 07-29-2003, 02:27 AM
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Man, I bet you guys had a blast!

Did they let Bill run his chrome plated aluminum wheels?
Old 07-29-2003, 10:53 AM
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Those times are almost perfect! Are you able to use a GPS or some other device to compute your time speed distance average? To be that close and have to take into consideration the acceleration time, that is precision. I might just have to look into that for next year.
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T_Max,

Bill has polished aluminum wheels, they're just nice and shiny.

Ell,

Yes you can use a GPS, I used them, but Rich didn't. The GPS
only gets you to .1 mph average. That usually won't get you
a top 3 finish, so the stop watch and mile markers are the
best way to get close enough to win. On the other hand,
many people use open road races as a chance to get their
cars out on the road at speeds that will get you thrown into
jail under normal situatiions. There are still tech limits,
based on the safety equipment in your car, but they are
a lot higher then the usual posted speed limits.

I hit 164.1 max mph this time (I have a 165 mph tech limit).
Not bad for a 13 year old car with 97,000 miles and the original
stock engine.

Old 07-29-2003, 01:49 PM
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Hey guys,

Congratulations on all of your runs and great results. Like you said George, it's a testament to a great car with some great drivers piloting them. It's probably also a good way to blow out all of the crud that these engines sometimes accumulate, although by the way your car sounds... I don't think there is any crud anywhere in that system.

See you guys at DEVEK !

Rob
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Warning, this report is LONG!


We had a great time this weekend. I finally got to drive the ex-Callaway turbo car at speeds it was meant to be driven! I wasn't able to stay for the dinner and awards, but apparently I finished even closer than I thought! No navigator, no GPS and NO SPEEDOMETER!

That's right, my speedo wasn't calibrated correctly. I had some work done to it the week before the race, and re-installed it the day before I left. On the drive to Battle Mountain I discovered it indicated about 12-18 mph fast between 70 and 85 mph. As I drove faster, the error got larger. At 135 mph actual speed the guage indicated 170 + mph! I was able to borrow George's GPS the day before the race to get a rough idea of what the indicated vs. actual speeds were, and also calculated the speeds according to tachometer RPM's. I had little notes taped everwhere!

Anyway, practice session was on Friday. After tech inspection I waited for my instructor, Roger Green (Porsche 996), to ride with me. The first two groups drove down and back, then a huge rain-storm blew in. I was the first car on the grid after the rain stopped, so I decided to limit my speed to 120 mph because of the wet conditions. Roger gave me few pointers after the first leg, so I was able to drive the corners better for the second leg. After that, Roger gave me a passing grade and I was on my own. 2 more runs for practice, got the speed up to 137 mph on the dry road. ( I was limited to a max speed of 140 mph for my class)

Saturday was an informal car show, then in the afternoon George, Bill and I drove the course to familiarize ourselves with the route. This course is a bit easier than Bonneville. The Pony Express is typically a long straight followed by a a long sweeper turn followed by another long straight. The tricky part is the Canyon and House Curve area just past the half-way mark. There are some very sharp turns in succession that demand your attention. I decided to play it safe, drive that whole section at 105 mph. That meant I would have to average 130 mph up to the canyon, run the canyon at 105 mph, and hopefully come out the other side close to a 125 mph average. After that just maintain 125 mph to the end.

Race day started early. Everyone arrived at pre-grid by 7:30 am. The first group of cars ( 135+ mph racers) was led to the start line around 9:00 am and actually started at 9:25. My group was then led to the line around 9:45. I talked to the car ahead of me and behind me to let them know my strategy and vice-versa. I was behind a blue Camaro and ahead of a maroon Pantera. About 10:00 it was my turn to start. The lights came down, I cliked the stop-watches and started off. I accelerated up to 5000 RPM and just left it there. I figured that was slightly more than 130 MPH, and had 44 miles to go to the Canyon. The car handled perfectly (DEVEK aligned it and set the ride height for me...Thanks!!). The temp guage stayed just below the top white line, while the overcast sky kept the outside temp reasonably cool. I went through the speed-trap before the half-way point and read 133 mph on the sign....just right. Entered the canyon and slowed to 105 mph. Just before the House Curve the course workers displayed a yellow flag...something coming up ahead. The House curve is a sharp left into an immediate blind decreasing radius right. I slowed to 100 mph because of the yellow flag, rounded the corner, and saw waht looked like rocks in the road. These turned out to be animal parts....yuk. Several cars (including George) hit a group of quail. The first corvette hit 6 of them, breaking the trim on the front of the car and cracking his windshield...blood and guts all over that car!

Anyway, I exited the canyon and was quickly catching up with the Camaro. I could smell his exhaust, so I figured something was keeping his speed down. As we approached the last 3 miles I didn't want to be too close to him, and didn't have enough space to pass. On the last turn I saw a BIG poof of smoke from his exhaust and figured he had big problems now. I backed off, looked at my countdown watch, and only had 8 seconds to go! Holy cow, I was paying attention to the guy in front of me and hadn't noticed the finish line. I mentally counted down from 5, hit the brakes, and looked for the line. As I crossed, I reached up and clicked the stopwatch, which indicated I finished 1 second early. Not too bad without a navigator, without a speedometer, and a smoking Camaro in front of me. As George posted above, I guess I did better than I tought, officially averaging 125.016 mph and finishing 0.300 seconds early.

At the finish lot, Dan (smoking Camaro) said he was burning LOTS of oil, saw me coming, and was trying to keep up enough speed to stay out of my way. That was thoughtful on his part, thanks Dan.

Everyone had a safe race, no incidents, and we made it back to Battle Mountain by 2:45. I couldn't stay for the dinner and awards, so I packed up, checked out, and then drove 360 miles home to Sacramento. A total of over 1300 miles, several hundred of them in excess of 110 mph, and didn't burn any oil! Wow, these cars are awesome.....but we already know that!


Sorry for the long post...

Rich.
Old 07-29-2003, 04:26 PM
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Rich, after all the trials and tribulations of getting the Callaway running, I am so glad that you finally had a great time with the 928!

George and Bill - Darn good job....you guys make us want to come on back and play....

We feel like such proud parents!

Do you feel the need for speed yet?

Marc and Susan
members of the 200 mph club
Old 07-29-2003, 04:44 PM
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Originally posted by Richard S
I wasn't able to stay for the dinner and awards, but apparently I finished even closer than I thought! No navigator, no GPS and NO SPEEDOMETER!

Rich.
And for Rich's next trick . . . he will attempt to do the Pony Express II blindfolded, using only reverse gear.

Good job and congrats to all you guys. See you on Saturday.
Old 07-29-2003, 04:47 PM
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Bill, George and Rich -

Awsome job! Congrats on doing well and being safe!!
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Sounds like you guys had a hell of a time and upheld 928's record of podium finishes in ORR. Sorry I couldn't join you on this one, too busy to break away. Maybe the Gambler's run or the Silver State Classic? We still have a couple of races this year

So, Rich, no 110mph class? (Yawn)

Glad you all enjoyed the race and had no problems

Dave
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Dave,

I'll be at the Gambler's Run next month. Maybe I'll see you there?

Others,

Photos from the Pony are posted at:

http://928.jorj7.com/2003-pony

No write up yet, and maybe not until after DEVEK Days.

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Old 08-01-2003, 05:56 AM
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Hmmmm...
I INTEND over my boss's objection's, TXDOT - they want me on the emergency road crew-, and my other boss -she has placed me in the
thoughtless middle-aged, idiot category- to run in the John Foster road race.
Particulars:
I'll be running Pattycakes - stock 82', 4.5L,auto., S trim (spoilers).
No GPS, just 3 stop watches -large face digitals-.
I'll be running the 125mph bracket.
I will have to do some scouting/cheating to hit my marks with prior GPS waypoints painted on telephone poles/cattleguards and essentially ignoring the speedo but paying close attention to waypoint times, braking areas and a bizarre right-hand turn they threw in at the Midkiff Ranch from around the Sh 349/FM1787 DPS weigh station area which will turn me onto Fm 1379 on the way to Sprayberry -the turn around, munchy point (no fuel though)-. Looking to pull wheels for a spin balance with-in two days of the race.
My questions are pretty simple.
Have you guy's been running with stock spoiler trim?
What was your fuel load?
Did you load up on octane booster's or just use high octane?
Did you stay at stock ride height?
Did you go with tire manufactures tire pressure or run the recommended Porsche pressures?
Did you add an extra pint or so of oil?
If you drove an Auto any recommendations other than flid/filter change prior to race?
If you drove auto did you check trans. oil level at 1/2 way point - ours is a stop at 1/2 way till all brackets finish then return on original course for finish-.
If you ran auto and did complete race non-stop did you check trans/eng oil after race for consumption/blowby?
I figure to be close enough to my marks by the last 10 miles and have enough oomph and or brakes to simply adjust speed on the last 10 GPS mile markers to make a fair/close time.
I have noticed some floating dip sections on the course and I'm curious if these present any special problems with stock suspension /handling - they are on the straight aways-.
Any other bright ideas welcome.
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Hey John! My answers are as follows:
Stock spoilers.
3/4 tank of premium fuel for a 100 mile race.
Stock ride height, wanted to lower it but the front is as low as it goes with factory Boge's.
I ran 41# in the front and 40# in the rear, from spirited driving experience.
Oil at full line, not above.
Check for leaks at halfway point, if none, don't worry too much about it. My trans was leaking, but nothing major.
I used less than 1/4 quart of oil during the race, may have been differences in my reading the dipstick before and after.

It will take about 5 miles at 137/138 mph to get your average up to 125. Have some timing marks starting at about 10 miles, then every 5 miles up to the last 10, then every mile. (I did the last 15 miles at 1 per mile rate)

Ensure that your alignment is spot on. With a good alignment, you could get air over the dips and still land straight & true. The stock suspension is a bit soft at speed with some wallowing over dips in corners. 125mph is actually pretty boring in a 928, you'll probably find yourself going too fast and having to slow down to hit your marks.
Latest tire rules out here say that your tires cannot be older than 2 years, and never have had to be patched or repaired. Tire failure is really nasty at speed and you should be over confident in your tires condition. If marginal, replace.

Fight the urge to crank up the A/C and stereo, it's not a drive in the park. If you are a little uncomfortable you will concentrate more on your driving.

And believe me, it's over too soon!

Some quick math..............

If you are trying to average 125, slowing to 120 will lose you 1.2 seconds per mile
115mph = -2.5 seconds per mile
On the other side............
130mph gains 1.1 seconds per mile
135mph gains 2.1 seconds per mile
140mph gains 3.1 seconds per mile

Times above are approx. and only carried out to 1/10' of a second, a human at speed cannot get much more accurate than that.

Do it once, you'll probably be hooked. Get your checkbook ready.........it gets spendy! I'm working on Koni/Eibach's, swaybar end links, rollbar, new harnesses, better tranny cooling, bigger wheels/tires, one more power tweaking add on, and sponsorship before the next race. I want to run at least the 145mph class, maybe the 150. A mostly stock 86.5 is wasted at 125 mph, my navigator was bored and he had never been over 120mph in his life!

Enjoy!

Dave
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Dave,
I'll burn in hell for this...but, I've done the majority of this run in a somewhat unsanctioned state before.
Coming back from a Texas Department of Transportation "Safety Banquet", no less!
We had an informal Roadrace with everyhing from Harley's>S/C'd Pick-ups>
Cadillac's> an old -but hyper- hyper Dodge Dart and the usual smattering of Stangs and Camaro's.
The number of people who discovered the Computer controlled top speed was astounding.
James "Butter" Burton - "the Brother like no other" - finished 2nd many leagues behind - and to this day believe's he could stomp me on the top end , sans limiter of course.
While very foolish in retrospect it was a hoot, Pattycakes performed flawlessly and held the road like she was on rails.
So I know for a fact she can perform. Now that I'll have a legal/safe road course the onus for trippin the lights will be on me.
Thanks for the Info!
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Yeah, believe me, I'll burn also. Right beside you (Or slightly in front or behind.........) Utah has got to be good for something other than it's dominant religion and some of the world's best skiing. We have paved versions of the Bonneville Salt Flats all over the state. I have gone a lot faster than they will allow me in ORR on I215. (nicknamed the "Utah Autobahn") I was even pulled over one night after doing in excess of 145mph and talked it down to 84mph in a 65 zone. Long story, don't want to incur the blast furnace headed my way from Ed. (NO-ONE on the road for miles, Hiway patrol wasn't even on the road. He saw me from inside a small town. When he caught up to me, I was doing 70. That's how I got off so easy, he couldn't catch up to radar or pace me!)

It doesn't sound like you will have any problems other than keeping it down to 125mph. Take the attention usually used for watching for lightbars and watch out for critters. They can do some real damage at speed. BTW, it's kind of fun using the whole road on purpose, I drove down the left side for a few miles just to do it!

Dave



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