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Old Jan 13, 2014 | 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by GregBBRD
The other obvious problem is that the stock shifter was attached to the torque tube....which was brilliant. As the engine and drivetrain moves around in the chassis, under G-forces, the shifter moved with it, which makes the "next gear" location very predicable in relationship to where the shifter is, when the shift movement is started.

With this shifter, which is now attached to the chassis, as the entire drivetrain shifts around in the chassis (under G-forces), the relationship of the gear pattern to the shifter is also going to move (this was a huge problem with the 964 race cars.......they were frequently shifted into the wrong gear, resulting in clutch, transmission, and engine destruction.) This, combined with the tiny amount of movement this shifter provides, is going to result in a much higher ratio of "incorrectly selected" gears.
You claim the stock shifter is predictable. On GTs and GTSs, I would agree, the rest even with fresh bushings and setup nicely there is still more slop than I would like. Again, I openly state that my replacement is not for everyone though! But I find mine to be much more predictable, and precise.

Originally Posted by GregBBRD
From a "Crew Chief" perspective....way to short. And because of the high effort required to shift the transmission, almost all feedback "feel" from the transmission is lost.
If you are using tons of force to shift with my shifter then you are forcing the syncros to work much harder. I can shift my own car with 2 fingers with this short shifter. It is because this shifter has more feel, you feel the resistance of the syncros. With a factory shifter you have enough leverage to overcome the syncros, and therefor loose that feel. I think that I will have to finish up the last couple bits on my car, and then take a video of me driving it showing that it can be driven with little force. But I do have to disagree with you on the feel aspect. Less leverage results in more feel, more leverage results in less feel.
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Old Jan 13, 2014 | 03:40 PM
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Another thing to note Greg,

As coming from a mechanical racing background, you should understand that one could weld another part onto the top of the shifter lever to be able to bring the shifter closer to the steering wheel, this added length would bring the throw back up to a longer reach, reduce the amount of force required, and reduce the distance between the steering wheel and shifter. All modern race cars you see have a massively tall shifter, or one very close to the wheel so that they car reduce the time the drivers hands are off the wheel to complete the shift.
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Old Jan 13, 2014 | 04:27 PM
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Colin:

Different strokes, for different folks.....just rendering my opinion.

Nothing you are going to say is going to make me like it....

I can see why some people would love it.....it makes them think they have a race car.

And, I completely understand why the OP is offering it for sale.....
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Old Jan 13, 2014 | 04:57 PM
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I prefer the longer throw and more seperation just me having blown up a couple 911 engines And my new trans shifts Great...best I ever felt in a 928.
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Old Jan 13, 2014 | 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by KenRudd
Yes, or a very good imitation.
In any case, proven to be good for -1 sec/lap at VIR
How is it wearing? I was going to get an alcantara boot made up but i think that hair will quickly wear down to a polish from use.
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Old Jan 13, 2014 | 07:25 PM
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just as an additional point of reference
Many years ago I replaced the bushing in my rear coupler on my race car with the aftermarket ones that were being sold to 911 owners.The aftermarket ones have a round hole where as the factory is oblong offering some fore/aft play. I did not care for it at all and went back to stock.
I guess we like what we like
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Old Jan 13, 2014 | 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by 17prospective buyer
How is it wearing? I was going to get an alcantara boot made up but i think that hair will quickly wear down to a polish from use.
I think Alcantara wears gracefully.
Here it is now, about 6k later.
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Old Jan 14, 2014 | 04:43 PM
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Nevermind
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Old Jan 14, 2014 | 04:50 PM
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I'm a closet ricer, i like to feel like i'm driving a racecar! Lol jokes.
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Old Oct 31, 2014 | 06:23 PM
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Sorry to bump this iscussion again but I am still thinking about installing the lizard shifter but don't know if it will deliver whqt I am looking for. I want more precision but not neccesarily a short throw. I have fitted a new front cup and the aftermarket bushings in the back that have round holes.
Questions:
- could I fit the original shifter on to the lizard setup to get the original throw length but gain some shifing precision?
- how is the side-to-side movement of the shifter made? Fomthe puctures it looks like the shifter can't move side to side. Does it rotate at the fixing point?
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Old Oct 31, 2014 | 07:14 PM
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Yea I myself don't like a short throw either. Very tiring in traffic.

I wonder if I switch to the stock throw would make me reconsider in keeping my 86.....
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Old Oct 31, 2014 | 10:54 PM
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I have the stock shifter and the best thing I ever did was put the new bushings in the rear. Made it like new again. One slight mod I did do is take a little off the top of the shifter. It shortens the throw slightly with keeping the factory setup.
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