Ready to throw in the towel
08-22-2013, 10:43 PM
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Ready to throw in the towel
Some of you have read and commented on my thread named "carnage" where my 928 was found to have broken spring lifters.
2 months later and the saga continues. My car has been in the shop all that time with no end in sight. In ready to put the "for sale" add on and get rid of the car.
One thing I have gathered from my stint with the 928. Amazing car, gorgeous to look and drive but hell, unless you know how to maintain them yourself or have a Greg Brown in the vicinity, these cars are not for enthusiasts like me with 2 left hands when it comes to understanding the complicated design and most importantly repair and maintain.
There are simply not enough mechanics that KNOW how to troubleshoot and repair the 928's around.
Sad fact really as like I said they are truly amazing Porsche's.
So onwards to the saga. After almost literally begging and pleading to get my car done (I was told several times that there are other customers that I have to consider! WTF?), the car was finally ready the day before yesterday. The shop told me that it fired up and they were going to test drive it. They had "trouble" timing the aftermarket cams on my car.. long story but lets move on.
I was told to call the shop after 4 pm to confirm that its ready for pick up.
I call..." well your car is been towed. It broke down during the test drive".
I was like "what? HOW can it break down"? " we dont know what happened".
For those who know the car, when I brought it in, I had Colin do every thing under the sun really mechanically. TOP to BOTTOM. The car has about 70K miles on and pretty much every single thing inspected and replaced. My car would not break down!
So the next morning, I take time off work to be in the shop at 8am when they open. I wanted to see.
I was shown my Gates timing belt which was put on the car not even 20K miles ago snapped in 2. Literally a clean snap between the teeth, like someone pulled it hard from both ends and the fiber strands on both ends were hanging out uniformly and evenly.
I was like " HOW can the belt snap like that?" the answer I got was " belts are known to snap like that". At that point I was boiling inside and fearing that I'm going to say or do something that I would regret later I shut my mouth.
I managed to ask, what is the damage. They did not know. NOT unexpected really!!!!
Today i find out, 12 bent valves, the heads are sent to the machine shop. Bloody damn hell, my injectors are sent for cleaning too! WTF????
I'm REALLY at a loss here and I want this nightmare to end. The shop people are super nice, but I have the sinking feeling that they are in over their heads with my car.
I know in my gut that my belt did not just "snap" Something happened when they put it back on, but how can I prove it? Apparently the car run for about half an hour before this happened.
if someone knows of ANYONE that REALLY knows 928's in the Toronto area PLEASE let me know.
2 months later and the saga continues. My car has been in the shop all that time with no end in sight. In ready to put the "for sale" add on and get rid of the car.
One thing I have gathered from my stint with the 928. Amazing car, gorgeous to look and drive but hell, unless you know how to maintain them yourself or have a Greg Brown in the vicinity, these cars are not for enthusiasts like me with 2 left hands when it comes to understanding the complicated design and most importantly repair and maintain.
There are simply not enough mechanics that KNOW how to troubleshoot and repair the 928's around.
Sad fact really as like I said they are truly amazing Porsche's.
So onwards to the saga. After almost literally begging and pleading to get my car done (I was told several times that there are other customers that I have to consider! WTF?), the car was finally ready the day before yesterday. The shop told me that it fired up and they were going to test drive it. They had "trouble" timing the aftermarket cams on my car.. long story but lets move on.
I was told to call the shop after 4 pm to confirm that its ready for pick up.
I call..." well your car is been towed. It broke down during the test drive".
I was like "what? HOW can it break down"? " we dont know what happened".
For those who know the car, when I brought it in, I had Colin do every thing under the sun really mechanically. TOP to BOTTOM. The car has about 70K miles on and pretty much every single thing inspected and replaced. My car would not break down!
So the next morning, I take time off work to be in the shop at 8am when they open. I wanted to see.
I was shown my Gates timing belt which was put on the car not even 20K miles ago snapped in 2. Literally a clean snap between the teeth, like someone pulled it hard from both ends and the fiber strands on both ends were hanging out uniformly and evenly.
I was like " HOW can the belt snap like that?" the answer I got was " belts are known to snap like that". At that point I was boiling inside and fearing that I'm going to say or do something that I would regret later I shut my mouth.
I managed to ask, what is the damage. They did not know. NOT unexpected really!!!!
Today i find out, 12 bent valves, the heads are sent to the machine shop. Bloody damn hell, my injectors are sent for cleaning too! WTF????
I'm REALLY at a loss here and I want this nightmare to end. The shop people are super nice, but I have the sinking feeling that they are in over their heads with my car.
I know in my gut that my belt did not just "snap" Something happened when they put it back on, but how can I prove it? Apparently the car run for about half an hour before this happened.
if someone knows of ANYONE that REALLY knows 928's in the Toronto area PLEASE let me know.
08-22-2013, 11:03 PM
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that shop killed your car, plain and simple. These cars really are not that complicated, but in the hands of ignorant morons like your shop guys, they are overwhelming. Get it out of there fast. Tell them they are responsible for the damage, and sue them if they give you ****.
08-22-2013, 11:06 PM
#3
I really hate to read threads like this.
08-22-2013, 11:28 PM
#4
Rennlist Member
that shop killed your car, plain and simple. These cars really are not that complicated, but in the hands of ignorant morons like your shop guys, they are overwhelming. Get it out of there fast. Tell them they are responsible for the damage, and sue them if they give you ****.
08-22-2013, 11:43 PM
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Wow.
Some of you have read and commented on my thread named "carnage" where my 928 was found to have broken spring lifters.
2 months later and the saga continues. My car has been in the shop all that time with no end in sight. In ready to put the "for sale" add on and get rid of the car.
One thing I have gathered from my stint with the 928. Amazing car, gorgeous to look and drive but hell, unless you know how to maintain them yourself or have a Greg Brown in the vicinity, these cars are not for enthusiasts like me with 2 left hands when it comes to understanding the complicated design and most importantly repair and maintain.
There are simply not enough mechanics that KNOW how to troubleshoot and repair the 928's around.
Sad fact really as like I said they are truly amazing Porsche's.
So onwards to the saga. After almost literally begging and pleading to get my car done (I was told several times that there are other customers that I have to consider! WTF?), the car was finally ready the day before yesterday. The shop told me that it fired up and they were going to test drive it. They had "trouble" timing the aftermarket cams on my car.. long story but lets move on.
I was told to call the shop after 4 pm to confirm that its ready for pick up.
I call..." well your car is been towed. It broke down during the test drive".
I was like "what? HOW can it break down"? " we dont know what happened".
For those who know the car, when I brought it in, I had Colin do every thing under the sun really mechanically. TOP to BOTTOM. The car has about 70K miles on and pretty much every single thing inspected and replaced. My car would not break down!
So the next morning, I take time off work to be in the shop at 8am when they open. I wanted to see.
I was shown my Gates timing belt which was put on the car not even 20K miles ago snapped in 2. Literally a clean snap between the teeth, like someone pulled it hard from both ends and the fiber strands on both ends were hanging out uniformly and evenly.
I was like " HOW can the belt snap like that?" the answer I got was " belts are known to snap like that". At that point I was boiling inside and fearing that I'm going to say or do something that I would regret later I shut my mouth.
I managed to ask, what is the damage. They did not know. NOT unexpected really!!!!
Today i find out, 12 bent valves, the heads are sent to the machine shop. Bloody damn hell, my injectors are sent for cleaning too! WTF????
I'm REALLY at a loss here and I want this nightmare to end. The shop people are super nice, but I have the sinking feeling that they are in over their heads with my car.
I know in my gut that my belt did not just "snap" Something happened when they put it back on, but how can I prove it? Apparently the car run for about half an hour before this happened.
if someone knows of ANYONE that REALLY knows 928's in the Toronto area PLEASE let me know.
2 months later and the saga continues. My car has been in the shop all that time with no end in sight. In ready to put the "for sale" add on and get rid of the car.
One thing I have gathered from my stint with the 928. Amazing car, gorgeous to look and drive but hell, unless you know how to maintain them yourself or have a Greg Brown in the vicinity, these cars are not for enthusiasts like me with 2 left hands when it comes to understanding the complicated design and most importantly repair and maintain.
There are simply not enough mechanics that KNOW how to troubleshoot and repair the 928's around.
Sad fact really as like I said they are truly amazing Porsche's.
So onwards to the saga. After almost literally begging and pleading to get my car done (I was told several times that there are other customers that I have to consider! WTF?), the car was finally ready the day before yesterday. The shop told me that it fired up and they were going to test drive it. They had "trouble" timing the aftermarket cams on my car.. long story but lets move on.
I was told to call the shop after 4 pm to confirm that its ready for pick up.
I call..." well your car is been towed. It broke down during the test drive".
I was like "what? HOW can it break down"? " we dont know what happened".
For those who know the car, when I brought it in, I had Colin do every thing under the sun really mechanically. TOP to BOTTOM. The car has about 70K miles on and pretty much every single thing inspected and replaced. My car would not break down!
So the next morning, I take time off work to be in the shop at 8am when they open. I wanted to see.
I was shown my Gates timing belt which was put on the car not even 20K miles ago snapped in 2. Literally a clean snap between the teeth, like someone pulled it hard from both ends and the fiber strands on both ends were hanging out uniformly and evenly.
I was like " HOW can the belt snap like that?" the answer I got was " belts are known to snap like that". At that point I was boiling inside and fearing that I'm going to say or do something that I would regret later I shut my mouth.
I managed to ask, what is the damage. They did not know. NOT unexpected really!!!!
Today i find out, 12 bent valves, the heads are sent to the machine shop. Bloody damn hell, my injectors are sent for cleaning too! WTF????
I'm REALLY at a loss here and I want this nightmare to end. The shop people are super nice, but I have the sinking feeling that they are in over their heads with my car.
I know in my gut that my belt did not just "snap" Something happened when they put it back on, but how can I prove it? Apparently the car run for about half an hour before this happened.
if someone knows of ANYONE that REALLY knows 928's in the Toronto area PLEASE let me know.
Really sorry to hear about this. Truly sucks.
You need to talk to Courtney @ Autowerks in Woodbridge or the Owners at Auto Select in Newmarket. (Franz is the guy. He hides in the back and works his magic). He also owns a 928 himself, and knows these cars and more importantly, how to repair them properly. Last time I was up there talking to him, (Few weeks back) he had a gorgeous late model in the shop, with a very close call timing belt failure. Luckily the owner listened when his son told him to turn off the key immediately and flat bed it in....
I do all my own wrenching to date, so I haven't used their services as yet, but they do come highly recommended.
Courtney's shop is usually swamped, but there's always a 928 or two around, so I know that they are also very familiar with the model.
Hope this helps.
Best,
Rob.
Last edited by 928 at last; 08-22-2013 at 11:47 PM. Reason: More info
08-22-2013, 11:47 PM
#7
I did not know you were in Toronto..thought you were here in Vancouver...
You do know Colin is willing to travel and fix?....Don't think it would cost much more for him to fly out and fix it..compared to some unqualified shop in T.O...
Either way, good luck with the fix...
You do know Colin is willing to travel and fix?....Don't think it would cost much more for him to fly out and fix it..compared to some unqualified shop in T.O...
Either way, good luck with the fix...
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08-22-2013, 11:49 PM
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08-22-2013, 11:55 PM
#9
Rennlist Member
Let's face it.
The vast majority of even the honest mechanics today are only interested in the quick and dirty way in ad out of a job. Don't fix it - replace it...charge book time..move on.
08-22-2013, 11:56 PM
#10
Nordschleife Master
Danny,
Sorry to hear this.
Canadian members here will tell you where to bring the car.
Have this shop pay for every part needed, every repair minute, every towing expense.
And your attorney's fee if it gets there.
They pay for everything stemming from the event, including making the car right.
From what you described any judge/arbiter would rule that way. There is no defending this event. Expert 928 witnesses would agree.
Sorry to hear this.
Canadian members here will tell you where to bring the car.
Have this shop pay for every part needed, every repair minute, every towing expense.
And your attorney's fee if it gets there.
They pay for everything stemming from the event, including making the car right.
From what you described any judge/arbiter would rule that way. There is no defending this event. Expert 928 witnesses would agree.
08-22-2013, 11:59 PM
#12
Nordschleife Master
08-23-2013, 12:09 AM
#13
Burning Brakes
Don't know what the answer is, but telling him to send the car to someone thousands of miles away is not much help.
Bottom line is that, if you can't do your own work, you need really deep pockets to own one of these cars - particularly if you're paying for someone else's on the job training.
I've been driving a 928 as daily transportation for the last 20 years. I've never had a timing belt fail - and from what I know, they don't break - unless something seizes and breaks them. It sounds to me like your shop screwed something up - big time.
James
Bottom line is that, if you can't do your own work, you need really deep pockets to own one of these cars - particularly if you're paying for someone else's on the job training.
I've been driving a 928 as daily transportation for the last 20 years. I've never had a timing belt fail - and from what I know, they don't break - unless something seizes and breaks them. It sounds to me like your shop screwed something up - big time.
James
08-23-2013, 12:16 AM
#14
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And thinking about it for a bit more, my opinion would be that the belt was the victim and not the perp here. A clean shear would indicate to me that something stopped dead and the belt couldn't cope with the stress..
08-23-2013, 12:17 AM
#15
really sorry, this just sucks.
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