Jim M.

First, I want to thank Hacker for letting this stay on line.

As a general rule I don't get envolved in these pissing contest threads. But, this one is a little different, because I, as one of the organizers, was also accused by Jerry Feather, of pocketing money from one or both the the 2009 and 2012 OCIC.

Now I know for a fact Jerry Feather did not attend the 2009 OCIC and I'm not even sure if he was even a member of the OC back then. He did attend the 2012 OCIC as a vendor, but never paid his vendor fee like all the other vendors. Also he was never envolved with any of the organization of either event and had NO inside information concerning expendidures or income. Yet he made some very slanderous remarks, based on pure conjecture.

In both the 2009 and 2012 OCIC's we asked the OC for "sponsorship", not "front money." A big difference! As a sponsor they donated money, in return we aggressively tried to increase membership. No other promises were made. In 2009 we gave 100% of the profits to the OC. In 2012 we lost money.

Jerry Feather and his slanderous remarks is the cause of all of this commotion! Jerry Feather has had numerous opportunities to retract his statements and appologize for those same remarks. Obviously he is not a big enough man to admit his mistakes. Like most lawyers he injects doubt with innuendos and misleading statements. Those doubts can and do translate to potential loss of business to those that are targeted (Roger and his business). Hence Roger's request for a public appology, again Jerry Feather seems to be unable to step up and admit he had no factual information.

Originally I had stated that I was comming to the 2013 OCIC. I can't see myself doing that now. My opinion of Jerry Feather is now lower than snail ****, so I'll just stay away.

This community, at least to me, is more about the people than the cars. The cars are just what brings us together. In this case I don't want to be with the kind of people that are organizing this event.

I will be at the 2014 event that Malcolm is putting together and as many of the other events held around the country as possible, but not this one!

Speedtoys

Tom. M

Just so we can be clear........ the way the thread reads and comes across.....


The 928 OC officially supported spokesman and organizer = Jerry Feather......

Gary Knox

Regarding Tom M.'s post, directly above:

Tom,

To my knowledge, no one associated with 928 Owners Club other than Jerry Feather and James Morrison (President) were involved, or even advised that this "event" was being planned, or even under consideration as an OCIC until I saw it announced in Jerry's electronic magazine. I was shocked, and so stated to James. His response was that he didn't think anyone else needed to be involved in making a decision to support an individual member planning an event or in calling it an Owners Club International Convention..

In fact, I think he is probably correct as of the time this announcement was made.

However, I'm not sure that should be continued as the OC's official procedure. I will draft a proposal for James, the board, and the rest of the officers to consider and revise. The final proposal should then be adopted or rejected by the full Board.

Thanks for highlighting the "perception".

Gary Knox
928 OC current Treasurer

Tom. M

Hi Gary,
I didn't intend to "insult" those elected members of the OC. I do appreciate all you guys do..I just wanted to make sure the message coming across in this thread (and many others) is that the OCIC events are deemed as OC organized and coordinated and any one who sets it up, by default, becomes the mouthpiece of the OC.

I sincerely hope the OC takes the reigns of the OCIC and actually hosts one. Take the friggen liability .....I'm sure there are many legal folks in the community to "help" should some issues arise out of this event...

The current structure of the OC precludes this and drastic changes need to be made. There is so much red tape to go through (procedural etc...) as evidenced by Stan's post on what he will accept as a "proper" proposal to get some changes through.. that, as usual, will dissuade folks from doing anything.

We as 928 owners are not large or mature (not mentally..but rather organizationally) enough to have these by-laws and restrictions yet. In time...maybe.. but for now I believe it needs to loosen up and skirt the "regulations" a bit to foster communication amongst ourselves...and get stuff done for the 928ers.

Speedtoys

James was good to see at SFest last year, so I joined.

I'll stay a member..but..the whole "what does OC do?" sits in my head.

I know entirely what it does not do.

hb4

Kudos Gary! I'm pretty sure that's all that Stan was saying - someone needs to frame a motion to the Board for it to be considered. If you want input from Members, how should that happen?

BTW, my wife's working on a project for a club that will put on public events, 40-50 people, volunteers, paid judges, public property, and DOGS, and the insurance was 'a couple hundred dollars'. Not too bad a bite.

the flyin' scotsman

many thx Gary, appreciate your leadership.

Shortly after the board reaches procedure on future OCIC we'll be sending in our proposal for the Canadian meet in 2014.

We are hopeful of positive OC support to join the growing momentum of the community already involved.

ROG100

Both in 2009 and 2012 the organizers put forward formal requests to host the OCIC events and were given permission to do so. It was always on the understanding that OC involvement was in name only.
It was also understood that any financial liabilty was the resposibility of the organizing party and not the OC.

In 2009 the organization made a profit and a substantial amount was given back to the OC. In 2012 we made a significant loss mainly due to a budgeting error and we lived with that.

In 2009 the renting of the building was circa $5000. We also charged $100 plus per car for attendance plus individual attendance fees.

In 2012 our goal was to reduce admission significantly and aim to break even - we did reduce the fee - but as they say s**t happens.

hacker-pschorr

You should list some pointers for entering the country.

A few years ago, Tim Murphy and I, with the wives, were taking the scenic route to Shark In Hell. We thought it would be fun to spend a night in Canada.

Turns out we needed 14 or more people in our group to account for the amount of booze we had stuffed into two Porsche's. I guess there is some Canadian law that forbids bringing in that much alcohol per person. We figured anyone from Wisconsin would be except from such a silly law.

Needless to say we stayed the night in the US side of Ste St Marie........

ROG100

Malcolm I echo your remarks and commend Gary for being a "stand up guy" and showing some excellent leadership qualities.

the flyin' scotsman

Erik..........thatz too funny; we've been known to drink a few beers on the North side.......good beer to.

Even have our own vineyards for those who partake in the grape(s)

ROG100

Amazing no response from the OC apart from Gary Knox. Thank you Gary for having the "*****" to respond in a positive way.
James you out there are are you traveling?

My faith in the OC is deminishing by the hour - I guess they are all playing with themselves or following the lead of the "OLD" president Stan Shaw.

From the emails I received last night Stan is totally with the "FEATHER" and sees him as a "DOER".

So I guess it is confirmed that the 928 OC "BOARD" fully supports the "FEATHER" and his demeaning comments to the good folks who worked so hard to support the OC. Sad sad times.

As the 928 OC fully supports the actions and statements of the "Feather" I see no reason to continue my companies support of the 928 OC and will withdraw my offer of a 5% discount for OC members who place orders over $500 with 928sRus.

Looking forward to the next OC elections.

linderpat

Careful Jim - you don't want to be guilty of the same conduct you are criticizing.
I'm a lawyer, and that is not what I do nor most of my collegues.

jcorenman

Drive North...

Oh, that. Just tag along behind a school bus, and tell them that you are the support vehicle.

For wine, the limit is 2 bottles per person max, or 1.14 liters of hard liquor, or 24 cans (12oz) of beer. Duties on excess are high, it is much cheaper to buy in Canada.

And no handguns, bear-spray or mace. They have no sense of humor about that. Long guns are OK with a permit.

Cheers, Jim