docmirror

You are way, way off base. First, the right to associate contains within the right to not associate with those we choose to avoid. For many reasons, I choose to avoid a lot of people. I have very few friends, and don't really want any more. Those I do call friends can rely on me entirely, because of the level of trust that ensues. That level of trust isn't for everyone, and the cost to personally expand my small circle would be to great(not in monetary terms).

If you think I'm a rennlist member, again you would be mistaken. I was fronted a membership by means which are best left alone. Suffice to say, I am not a member.

I've been around the world, several times. I've met a lot of people. I've tried to be level with all, and left a mark on as few as possible. Now, I work from my home in a rural part of Texas. I rarely involve myself with the big wide world. Strangely, the minimal association with rennlist is something I've kept although lately I've scaled back significantly, and soon maybe completely.

I really do wish the OC well. Along with that, it's my place to consider that the club would be better without me, except for the value of my membership fee. More than one have described me as a strange duck. I find that oddly reassuring, and without artifice, plan to keep it that way. If I see you in the Junction, perhaps we'll have a brew together. Or - maybe I'll be thousands of miles in another direction.
buh-bye

polecat702

I won't be able to make it this year, but next year the OCIC, is in Canada. I'm not welcome in Canada, I'm considered an undesireable. The price of fame, and all.

So we're going to take in the Durango & Silverton Railroad next year. But not on the 4th of July. I don't like leaving the house on the 4th. It gets crazy here in Vegas. And my cats freakout! Hopefully we'll be moved by then also.

The 4th isn't a great choice IMHO, cause most people spend it with family. And it's the worst time to travel long distance by car. Crazy traffic.

Sorry Jerry. And GJ isn't that far for us to drive either. It's just bad timing for us.

Jerry Feather

Well put, Doc. Bye-bye to you.

ALKada

I wish I could make this event and would really enjoy driving through the mountains with all of you but we already have family plans on the Fourth. Have a great time. See you in Calgary!

Gary Knox

Y'all,

Since there has been some discussion on this thread about Owners Club, and profits from OCIC events, I would like to set the record straight

I have been treasurer of 928 OC when Three of the Five OCIC's were held. I am quite aware of the financial situation regarding the others (first two, held in Wichita and hosted by Marc White).

OF these Five events, only one of them turned a "profit" for the organizers. In that case, the organizers made a wonderful "gift" of all the profits to 928 Owners Club, for which the Club members are most grateful. The Club has made a donation to all FIVE events as partial support. Anyone wishing to put together future OCIC events and wishes to get Owners Club support should make their wishes known to James Morrison, who will seek Board of Directors approval for that support.

Gary Knox
928 Owners Club charter member and current Treasurer

JWise

Well said and THANK YOU, Gary!

JW

Tony

Ditto, bad timing....but, for the record, i did date a Canadian gal and so i guess I am considered desireable

Dan87951

Life's too short to be bickering all the time..

ROG100

This is what Feather thinks about the previous teams of good people who organized OCIC events -----

When you have people like Jerry Feather, who with respect is a relative new comer to the 928 World, making WILD statements about previous organizers “stealing” so called profits from OCIC events, how can you expect good people to support his efforts.

The team putting together Dallas OCIC made money on the event and donated IT ALL back to the OC. Feather makes this statement - “I suspect that there was more profit that was simply pocketed.”

I know Marc White lost money on the first two events and should be applauded for his support.

In Wichita last year the team of organizers lost circa $1200 on the event which was absorbed by myself and my company. No problem or issue at all and happy that it was successful and everyone enjoyed themselves.

BUT TO BE TOLD THAT WE STOLE THE MONEY IS BEYOND BELIEF – I for one will not be attending this event or my company will not be supporting it in any way at all.

Jerry perhaps you will get round to paying for your "Vendor" participation at OCIC 2012 like the rest of the "good" vendors.

Rant over

SeanR

Welp, there ya have it. Those words were right out of Jerry's keyboard. So either he thinks this or he is repeating what the previous/current president has said. Somehow I don't think that James would say this. Given that Jerry has had a bit of time to retract those statements is what I find amusing because each and every time it is brought up, he plays the good lawyer and never answers but deflects those to another topic. I didn't forget them when they were stated on the open to the public portion of the forum at the OC and I'm wondering how many did.

That was one of the main reasons I brought up my initial post about this, the underhanded comments are just a bit too much and a tad dirty if you ask me. I come across as an ******* to some because I don't beat around the bush and will call a spade a spade, Jerry's comments give him an out if someone accuses him of anything, ahem, dirty. Good Lawyer.

Now if we can get some OCIC planning done with out the stupidity and back handed comments, with a bit of open discussion then I'm sure we ALL will have a much better enjoyment in this. So on that, I'll refrain from commenting further on this unless Mr. Feather addresses me directly.

Thanks your honor.

Kiln_Red

The Treasurer has set the record straight on the financials. There should be no question that any of the other board members see it any other way.

pcar928fan

Gary,

Thanks for that info. I had been told that the '09 event was profitable, but I never saw any accounting of where any money went and it would be nice to have known (as I was simply a member of the OC and not pres or even membership chair at the time) that Roger and crew donated those profits back to the OC. Same is true of times when a profit is not made. Good to know what the club donated/spent.

While I know Roger would not crow about OCIC being profitable and that those profits were donated back it would have been nice to have seen a thank you from the Pres or Treas of the club at the time. I'm glad to hear that some money was made and even more that it was donated back to the OC! Thanks Roger for that! That is all water under the bridge at this point, but I can assure you I thank people often and publicly for their efforts on behalf of the OC, so in retrospect THANK YOU ROGER FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE OC!!!

I can assure you all that there will be more transparency for the club in the future so you will know where your dues money goes and how it is all accounted for. I feel like it is my responsibility to be a good steward of that which the good 928 fans who have joined the club have paid. That means members will see some sort of accounting in the newsletter so everyone is on the same page.

Now back to our regularly scheduled program. Jerry offered to host an OCIC and wanted to do it sooner rather than later as he had already done much of the preplanning (having done it many times before with another club made this part fairly easy for him) and it was his choice to do it on July 4th weekend. He asked me what I thought and like many of you I suggested that folks would have family plans that would preclude them from coming to OCIC but that there were probably folks who would benefit from doing it in conjunction with a holiday, saving them from having to take vacation days. That, in fact, is the case for me. Putting it on the 4th saves some valuable vacation days for me later in the year and since we don't have standing family plans it makes it better for me.

For his efforts I am greatly appreciative. The only other person who has said anything to me about doing an OCIC was Malcolm and we have him set to go and working on the next one for Canada. As for those who have been concerned about doing it every year, I am not sure what the issue is. We do 3rd Coast every year, Sharktoberfest is every year, SITM, SIH, SITP...all of those seem to do just fine each year. So I don't see why OCIC each year would not be welcomed.

Not to mention doing an OCIC each year fulfills one of the line items in the by-laws. So as long as we have individuals or teams who are willing to plan one each year as long as I am President we will have an OCIC each year. Most of the other annual events are really driven by vendors desire to give back, retain, and recruit new customers. I don't have any problem with that, I think it is good business to give back to those who have supported you. We all benefit from that! SIH, Spring Fling and SITP are all regional events that have been around long enough to be established but they are one day affairs (Spring Fling being the exception) and draw smaller groups than the big three events.

So, I hope that OCIC will take off as a yearly event that draws crowds like SITM, SF and 3rd Coast! I for one will support the OCIC organizers in any way I can...regardless of my position within the OC!

Jerry Feather

On second thought it is probably best that we simply have no Vendors at this OCIC as Vendors. This is a Convention of the Members, so any Member is welcome but none will be expected to show up as a Vendor, in fact they are now invited not to show up as a Vendor. The only thing of any commercial nature, if that, will be the 928 Owners Club with thier goodies or wares brought to sell, give away or otherwise distribute as seen fit, if any.

hacker-pschorr

Not this again...... I really wish the OC board and it's members would respect Rennlist just a bit and keep all of this BS chatter where it belongs ---> On the OC forum.

I thought this last election was supposed to clear all this up. What happened?

I'm getting sick and tired of every 928 OC thread turning into this pissing match. Much more of this and I'll start closing all OC related threads. You guys have your own forum, chat amongst yourselves over there.

It's ridiculous a group this small cannot figure out a way to exist peacefully.

I have to agree with early comments, an announcement for an event this big over the 4th of July weekend......announced in March of the same year.... is **** poor planning.

Now accusations of vendors and organizers steeling from the cookie jar? This is too much......didn't we have enough of this talk during the election campaign? I thought this was all cleared up.

That sounds like a decision the board should vote on, no?

What happens if some small "vendor" shows up with all of their parts mounted on a 928 and they hand out business cards? Will they be asked to leave and banished from the premises? Membership revoked?

Your post really makes me wonder who's really running the show.

Kiln_Red

Hacker,

Jerry Feather is an individual. He is not the OC. Don't confuse OC "BS" with just simple person-to-person "BS."