Hacker this has come up before (I think in this thread even) and the OC does NOT have any say in the planning of events. Folks volunteer to host an event and they get to host it their way. At past OCIC's vendors were invited and charged accordingly to help defray costs. If Jerry does not want to have vendors or have them and not charge is up to him as the organizer.

The OC approves funding for events that request them. Most get approved for the requested amount (which is based on expected attendance and usually comes in the form of t-shirts or mugs), some don't, but the board does not get in the middle of planning SF, Spring Fling, 3rd Coast, SITM, Sharks in Hell or any other 928 gathering.

I agree that I thought this back biting was over and am sad to see it come up again.

 

Sounds like it's time for the OC Board to set up some guidelines for the OCIC. Otherwise, the inmates are in charge.

 

I understand Jerry is an individual. I had the pleasure of meeting him last year at Sharktoberfest. I have nothing against Jerry, I think he's a great guy and a big asset to the 928 community.

When an individual starts a thread titled: "OCIC 2013" - a vast majority of people seeing the thread will assume this is the grand daddy party, the big OC event. The individual who starts such a thread automatically becomes the voice of said gathering.

Since the "OC" in "OCIC" is referring to "928 Owners Club" - that makes him the voice of the club for this party. If the club feels differently, then someone from the club needs to step in and take over, start a new thread, whatever.

Yes I fully understand how this works. Problem is, it's not working and is continually putting the club in a bad light.

It wouldn't be so bad if all this back and forth was on the OC forum, but it keeps getting dragged over here.

I like consistency, the OC should have a set of standards for the big party. Otherwise threads like this happen.

Bingo!!

Part of the problem that I'm still confused about...... is this "THE" OCIC party or just another GTG sponsored by the OC? To most 928 owners, there is a big difference between the two.

 

This.......

Until the OC ponies up most or all of the money to host the event.. these so called OCIC's are only events set up by others (with just a tiny bit of OC sponsorship).

 

Well, as I've said, I'm not an OC member, so I would like to keep informed of all 928 related stuff via this forum. I think closing all OC based thread is not in the spirit of the rennlist, but hey - I just hang out here sometimes. Surely, if there is dissension it can be dealt with on a case by case basis, not like there's a thread every day from the OC that goes sideways.

 

Hacker,

Thanks for pointing this out. Tom is quite correct in his post below yours. To this point it has NEVER been the club and OCIC has always been a misnomer really as "The Club" has nothing to do with it other than to offer a bit more sponsorship than a regional event might get.

Therefore we (as a board) will need to visit this topic and see if we will allow ANY event to use the moniker "OCIC" in the future OR what will be required of the organizer to get that designation placed on their event. Just one of many topics to be cussed and discussed I am sure!

 

Agreed.

 

An OCIC has *always* been put on by an individual with only communication to the 928 OC. As a matter of *past* policy, the 928 OC has avoided running an event to avoid any liability. The organizers accept full responsibility.

In the past, an OCIC organizer wanna be, would come to the board and ask to be accepted as the OCIC organizer. Since establishing the office of President for the 928 OC, there have only been votes (with regard to OCICs) that related to money being allocated, sometimes as a back stop to a loss other times as a sponsorship.

My comments are on past policy only.

I agree with other's comments, that 928 OC policy discussion should be on the 928 OC forums, or brought directly to the officers of the 928 OC.

I would advocate that any member of the 928 OC desiring a policy change first write-up the policy change, then ask *any* board member to submit it for discussion or even a vote. Please note, I consider the act of writing such a policy, so that it could be voted on, to be quite a bit of work, so please be prepared for some effort on your part. I agree that policies voted on, and therefore enacted, by the board would be a tremendous addition.

Now, we just need to find the volunteer to handle the task, and bring it the 928 OC forum at least.

 

Well as one of the many that Jerry has offended I will not be quiet and until he publically apologizes for his terrible slander against some of the finest 928 community members it will not go away. How such a club can condone this action is beyond me. The President just hopes it will go away in a few days.

Below are the reactions from the 928 OC club fully supporting Jerry and his slander.

I would appreciate if all of the board members would read the contents of this (https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...unction-5.html) thread ASAP.

I think we all have some thinking to do here as these kinds of unsubstantiated claims and public bickering threaten our health as a club; whether fair or not. The 928 OC needs to publicly disassociate itself from this nonsense. I'm racking my brain to think of the most effective way to do this and seek your help. I think it is our responsibility.

This thread is only viewable by board members, by the way.


I have tried to assuage things and calm them a bit, but I am not sure I have had much impact. I have made it CLEAR that the OCIC is a title that is sought by INDIVIDUALS for an event THEY PLAN and that the OC provides only a small monetary gift (normally in the form of a T-shirt or mug) for this or any other event.

"The Club" does not in any way plan or execute the OCIC or any other event that we fund. In the future (or perhaps NOW) we need to decide if we want to continue to allow the OCIC moniker to even be used in the future and if so HOW WILL IT BE MANAGED.

Keep in mind we are not treading new ground here. This is the way Parade got started with the PCA about 60 years ago as well. So, while it is not fun it is a learning and growing process that we must take on.

Why Jerry feels it necessary to take pot shots at Roger and vice versa is beyond me. I don't know what their personal problems are but they need to keep it out of threads about stuff where the OC is the focus.

I read the last few posts, and made a post of my own.
If there is no action by a 928 OC member to do what is suggested, then it will not get done.

Those who have issues now can understand there is a mechanism to correcting those issues. There is an effort required by that person, this is where many past ideas have died, as a direct result of no action.

Separately, and without having read the thread, Jerry Feathers is a man of action, one of the few in the 928 OC.

Stan, I agree with you and publicly thanked him for his planning efforts. As well I thanked Malcolm for volunteering to plan the next one and I thanked Roger for sending funds back to the club from the profits of the '09 event which I was not aware of.

Anyway, I agree so much of this will just pass in a few days when the thread dies or is closed or folks just quit bothering to read it. Jerry is a doer but he has personal issues with more than a few folks and has this nasty little back handed way of slapping them. Though being in his late 50's/early 60's I doubt if I will be able to change that habit of his!

Those who have issues now can understand there is a mechanism to correcting those issues. There is an effort required by that person, this is where many past ideas have died, as a direct result of no action.

Separately, and without having read the thread, Jerry Feathers is a man of action, one of the few in the 928 OC.
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Vendettas are both usually obvious and dangerous. Anyone can clearly see that Jerry has a vendetta against one of, if not, the most popular vendors in our community. You note that Jerry is a doer, and I agree. So is Roger. No matter how you feel about him, look at what he has done for the OC. Nevermind their records as volunteers. We shouldn't be keeping score anyway, in my opinion.

I am afraid that this will reflect badly on the OC if we sit back and do nothing. For whatever reason, folks are assuming that the OC endorses everything Jerry Feather says or does.

 

Perhaps it's time for a mutiny........

The Association of International 928 Owners has a nice ring to it

 

WTF did I just try to read? LMAO?

 

I was just initially confused as **** over the "OCIC" gathering, plus a really poor weekend for it.

Then it was renamed OCIC FINTJ..which I suppose is fine..but..

Then it appears we have two tiers of event types. OCIC ones, and the non OCIC ones.

*shakes head*

I want -the- OC event, to be THE OC event.



I like that some action on what an OCIC event cant/cant be will happen, and OC or not, different dates, Id have been glad to trek to the Junction.

 

Took me a while to figure out.. Thought Rog was speaking in third person (again) LOL.......

But I'm guessing its a private conversation between James and Stan...easy to put names to quotes..

 

SPLITTERS!

 

I swear, I read that in a dozen voices and it was awfully entertaining. I re-read it with Ren and Stimpy, that was a good one.

I think we just hi-jacked this in to another fun thread. I have a feeling that Hacker will just Abyss it since his humor-meter is always broken or someones dick gets stuck in the spokes.

I am curious about Rogers post though, it sounds a lot like James getting pissed, and understandable so since this is all bull**** anyway.

Yea, Jerry, I'm posting again, check with the judge, he said it was ok. I'm typing stuff out for my daughters homework and need the humor break.