I guess i need a new Shifter Ball Cup...
#46
Carl, who has stated that is will only last a few years? You've said that a few times and I don't see anywhere, or experienced where this is the case.
#48
Developer
I have really enjoyed this latest game of "shoot the messenger", but instead of attacking my opinion, why don't you defend your opinion and answer the question?
Porsche has the part, and sells it separately, yet does not list it as the right part for that application. Why?
Porsche has the part, and sells it separately, yet does not list it as the right part for that application. Why?
#49
Developer
Hey Carl,
928 and 944 heads aren't 100% the same.
928 and 944 heads aren't 100% the same.
The point is still valid - where Porsche uses the same part in as many instances as they can, why do you think they don't in this case?
#50
Nordschleife Master
The part is molded the same, it is for all intensive purposes the same part.
Porsche doesnt list it for that use because they would rather sell the entire part. Especially as a good deal of people would not have the ability to properly install that said bushing back in properly. Meaning that they would either not pull down hard enough, or they may not pull it down centered and break the end off.
And the valve spacing on 944 and 928 heads are slightly different.
And Carl, I cannot speak for everyone, but if you posted actual information, instead of dribble, I would be more inclined to back up my statements with hard info.
But when someone compares the old dead crusties that are coming out of the cup, to new plastic and stating that because of that it is a different part, its really hard to take that seriously! Maybe if you had a brand new one in front of you and posted a picture of that and the replacement bushing beside it showing that they are different colours (they arent), then some of us would actually take that seriously.
I understand you wanting to sell your parts, but giving mis-information is not the way to do so.
Porsche doesnt list it for that use because they would rather sell the entire part. Especially as a good deal of people would not have the ability to properly install that said bushing back in properly. Meaning that they would either not pull down hard enough, or they may not pull it down centered and break the end off.
And the valve spacing on 944 and 928 heads are slightly different.
And Carl, I cannot speak for everyone, but if you posted actual information, instead of dribble, I would be more inclined to back up my statements with hard info.
But when someone compares the old dead crusties that are coming out of the cup, to new plastic and stating that because of that it is a different part, its really hard to take that seriously! Maybe if you had a brand new one in front of you and posted a picture of that and the replacement bushing beside it showing that they are different colours (they arent), then some of us would actually take that seriously.
I understand you wanting to sell your parts, but giving mis-information is not the way to do so.
#51
Developer
The part is molded the same, it is for all intensive purposes the same part.
Porsche doesnt list it for that use because they would rather sell the entire part. Especially as a good deal of people would not have the ability to properly install that said bushing back in properly. Meaning that they would either not pull down hard enough, or they may not pull it down centered and break the end off.
giving mis-information is not the way to do so
They don't. When adjusted, they have drag on them and they have no air-space. They Can't rattle. Like you said: giving mis-information is not the way to go.
#52
I have really enjoyed this latest game of "shoot the messenger", but instead of attacking my opinion, why don't you defend your opinion and answer the question?
Porsche has the part, and sells it separately, yet does not list it as the right part for that application. Why?
Porsche has the part, and sells it separately, yet does not list it as the right part for that application. Why?
Opinion.
Opinion
Agree. Like stating our coupling rattles. Especially when the guy who said it rattled posted he had never gotten one installed, yet he "knew" it would rattle. Post #16.
They don't. When adjusted, they have drag on them and they have no air-space. They Can't rattle. Like you said: giving mis-information is not the way to go.
Opinion
Agree. Like stating our coupling rattles. Especially when the guy who said it rattled posted he had never gotten one installed, yet he "knew" it would rattle. Post #16.
They don't. When adjusted, they have drag on them and they have no air-space. They Can't rattle. Like you said: giving mis-information is not the way to go.
On Edit: It was 3 that I've tried to deal with. The 2nd one was installed and it was the one that was removed due to rattles. The 1st and 3rd were too much of a pain in the *** so it was decided to not install them. The last one was a a DFW tech session and we had a dozen or so guys around trying different way to get it in.
On that note, I'm out of this one, said enough. Besides, Carl will cry to IB and ask for all of our posts to be deleted anyway.
#54
Nordschleife Master
Terry,
Good luck getting Carl's ball cup replacement installed with the car together. The factory one can be done in car though.
Carl,
You say that my statement of the bushing being molded the same is opinion.
Why dont you FIRST order the bushing that we are using, and then the factory ball cup and cut the steel on the new ball cup and compare molds!!!
Good luck getting Carl's ball cup replacement installed with the car together. The factory one can be done in car though.
Carl,
You say that my statement of the bushing being molded the same is opinion.
Why dont you FIRST order the bushing that we are using, and then the factory ball cup and cut the steel on the new ball cup and compare molds!!!
#55
Developer
Our part can be installed with the TT in the car, many have. Would it be easier to install with the TT out? You bet. Like all shifter ball cups.
I have not been kicked off the 968 forum, and I dont know what the heck that's about.
And Sean, if our shifter ball cup rattled, all it needed was to be tightened up, because its adjustable.
Spreading more dis-information?
I have not been kicked off the 968 forum, and I dont know what the heck that's about.
And Sean, if our shifter ball cup rattled, all it needed was to be tightened up, because its adjustable.
Spreading more dis-information?
#56
Developer
Terry,
Sometimes we are asked "what can/should I do at the same time" - like a 928 owner will replace the water pump when they replace the timing belt because they are "right there".
On that note: if your 928 needs oil pan gasket service or motor mount service, this isn't a bad time to do the shifter ball cup replacement. While you have the motor mounts out, you can lower the motor a little bit, which moves the shifter ball cup away from the body and makes installation easier.
Sometimes we are asked "what can/should I do at the same time" - like a 928 owner will replace the water pump when they replace the timing belt because they are "right there".
On that note: if your 928 needs oil pan gasket service or motor mount service, this isn't a bad time to do the shifter ball cup replacement. While you have the motor mounts out, you can lower the motor a little bit, which moves the shifter ball cup away from the body and makes installation easier.
#57
Burning Brakes
Go with the original, its worked this long and we all know it will work again. I used a big hose clamp to get mine back on the ball I greased it too. Just be carefull with the adjustment, the threads move your shifter front to back inside the car. If you ever get stuck with a broken cup a big hose clamp tightened around the torque tube and threaded part will keep it driveable. I have even pulled all the plastic out of one and glued it on the ball with window urethane and a hose clamp on the shaft to keep it on. Its been 3 yrs now and it still works fine.... everyone is making this way to complicated..... Just my 5 cents we don't have the penny here for 2 cents anymore lol
Paul
Paul
#58
Our part can be installed with the TT in the car, many have. Would it be easier to install with the TT out? You bet. Like all shifter ball cups.
I have not been kicked off the 968 forum, and I dont know what the heck that's about.
And Sean, if our shifter ball cup rattled, all it needed was to be tightened up, because its adjustable.
Spreading more dis-information Sean?
I have not been kicked off the 968 forum, and I dont know what the heck that's about.
And Sean, if our shifter ball cup rattled, all it needed was to be tightened up, because its adjustable.
Spreading more dis-information Sean?
Standard operating procedure when things don't go your way. Happens a lot with threads you are involved in doesn't it.
#59
Developer
Geesus Sean, are you incapable of staying on topic?
Whats typical is when you cannot defend your opinion, you attack the person with the conflicting opinion!
Just stick to the topic, and leave the name-calling on the grade-school play-ground, will ya?
Whats typical is when you cannot defend your opinion, you attack the person with the conflicting opinion!
Just stick to the topic, and leave the name-calling on the grade-school play-ground, will ya?
#60
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Do not bother with the front shifter linkage at all and get rid of it for once and for all.
Go with the much superior "Lizard" shifter and learn how a real gearbox should feel and shift.
Or swap in a "RogerBox" and drive a real car 8>)
Go with the much superior "Lizard" shifter and learn how a real gearbox should feel and shift.
Or swap in a "RogerBox" and drive a real car 8>)
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Does it have the "Do It Yourself" manual transmission, or the superior "Fully Equipped by Porsche" Automatic Transmission? George Layton March 2014
928 Owners are ".....a secret sect of quietly assured Porsche pragmatists who in near anonymity appreciate the prodigious, easy going prowess of the 928."
Does it have the "Do It Yourself" manual transmission, or the superior "Fully Equipped by Porsche" Automatic Transmission? George Layton March 2014
928 Owners are ".....a secret sect of quietly assured Porsche pragmatists who in near anonymity appreciate the prodigious, easy going prowess of the 928."