Playboy car of the year 911 vs 928
#17
Have a look at post 15 and the black line is my car and it is what you would call a euro hybrid. I know it isn't 4.6 seconds (it is 5.3) but I think there was more in that car before it got taken off the road. Some facts and speculation.
There was no roll out used in timing my car, apparently US testers tend to do this, that car was always difficult to get off the line without wheel hop. Something I wanted to fix at the time, the only way to alleviate it was to use less power in first and second which of course affects the 0-60 time. I think if a launch control/traction control was fitted along the lines of what John Gill sells and the mechanical setup was sorted so that the car didnt get wheel hop you would be able to do consistent sub 5 second 0-60 mph times.
To back that up, when I compared my euro hybrid times to the second series 997 GT3RS my car was faster from 50 - 100 mph by about 0.2 of a second, now that will probably be down to gear changes required in that speed range giving me the advantage but I will take it. The area where my car fell down was that it was a full second slower to 60 mph again due to traction issues. Maybe sorting the wheel hop and having a launch control puts you at 4.6 seconds?
#19
Nordschleife Master
#20
tino
#23
I believe it is an optimization issue, more power in my car will just make traction off the line worse. It is a matter of using what power that is there already, as I said I can't use full throttle in first gear, there untapped power there.
#25
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Thread Starter
Three points of consideration for the Euro hybrid;
Stock Euro Cam vs hot rod reweld.
Stock brains vs fully sharktuned or Porkenized.
Stock 5.0L vs punching the bore out to 104mm.
Traction and shifting may still be the bigger issue, and harder to fix. OTOH starting in second might have a better time than starting in first. Its not a big point to me, I don't plan to drag race, so really anything in the same ball park of performance may be equally satisfying.
Stock Euro Cam vs hot rod reweld.
Stock brains vs fully sharktuned or Porkenized.
Stock 5.0L vs punching the bore out to 104mm.
Traction and shifting may still be the bigger issue, and harder to fix. OTOH starting in second might have a better time than starting in first. Its not a big point to me, I don't plan to drag race, so really anything in the same ball park of performance may be equally satisfying.
#26
#27
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I was reading the articles in the new issue of Playboy, and they had a little run down on hot cars, with the top pick whatever a 911 is called these days with a sticker price of $82k. 3086 lbs 350 hp at 7400 rpm, 0-60 4.6s, seems very close to what I see as a target for a 928 Euro Hybrid.
What I got from the article was here are the hot cars, some more HP, some less and smaller, and this is the sweet spot. The car you want to drive most of the time, and 30 years later the core hasn't changed much.
http://www.porsche.com/usa/models/911/911-carrera/
What I got from the article was here are the hot cars, some more HP, some less and smaller, and this is the sweet spot. The car you want to drive most of the time, and 30 years later the core hasn't changed much.
http://www.porsche.com/usa/models/911/911-carrera/
#29
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Thread Starter
#30
Captain Obvious
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Three points of consideration for the Euro hybrid;
Stock Euro Cam vs hot rod reweld.
Stock brains vs fully sharktuned or Porkenized.
Stock 5.0L vs punching the bore out to 104mm.
Traction and shifting may still be the bigger issue, and harder to fix. OTOH starting in second might have a better time than starting in first. Its not a big point to me, I don't plan to drag race, so really anything in the same ball park of performance may be equally satisfying.
Stock Euro Cam vs hot rod reweld.
Stock brains vs fully sharktuned or Porkenized.
Stock 5.0L vs punching the bore out to 104mm.
Traction and shifting may still be the bigger issue, and harder to fix. OTOH starting in second might have a better time than starting in first. Its not a big point to me, I don't plan to drag race, so really anything in the same ball park of performance may be equally satisfying.