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Old 11-16-2012, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Kiln_Red
I agree.

I have seen similar damage on other motors when foreign objects had entered the combustion chamber. It appears to me that the only explanation here is that the piston wasn't able to compress all of that build up in this event. Something had to give. I would follow GB's suggestion to closely look at the rods if you plan on keeping the rotating assembly for use in a different block.
Early GTS rods bend by staring at them hard enough...much less stopping the piston BTC.
Old 11-16-2012, 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave928S
Maybe all the carbon fell off when the head was taken off ... and that's just a red herring. You can still see it hanging precariously on in one bore, and it wouldn't take much to dislodge it.

Considering the state of the gasket I think hydrolock is still a possibility ... it wouldn't take much. The lack of coolant in the bore after the 'event' and after stripdown could be explained by seepage past the rings or out the cracks.
Look a the head, where that pile of carbon was smashing into it. I think he said the engine would not turn, after the "noise". And certainly no one would have rotated it enough, by hand, to remove that cooked on carbon in the quench area of the combustion chamber.
Old 11-16-2012, 10:05 PM
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My thoughts are that I'd prefer the rod to compromise before the corresponding journal. I guess that is a positive way to look at this situation. Sometimes, though, it can be more like a catch 22 than one or the other. Not likely that the crank was harmed IMO.
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Originally Posted by Kiln_Red
My thoughts are that I'd prefer the rod to compromise before the corresponding journal. I guess that is a positive way to look at this situation. Sometimes, though, it can be more like a catch 22 than one or the other. Not likely that the crank was harmed IMO.
Correct.

The 928 crankshafts are so robust, it is very rare to see one damaged, unless there is a thrust bearing failure or a rod bearing failure. A little thing like the piston being stopped BTC, the cylinder breaking, and the rod bending wouldn't even begin to hurt one of those "truck" crankshafts.
Old 11-16-2012, 11:54 PM
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Got a block like that hanging inverted in my garage..powder coated in bright silver. The powder coat nearly covered up the crack in the cylinder. Thats how i would make it right.
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I started with a block like that for my 7.0 engine. That crack probably extends all the way down to the 'floor' of the water area even if you can't see it.

I can't imagine anyone being confident in a weld repair of that. It would be much more reassuring to drive a block with different numbers than wondering how the weld was holding up and wheter other cylinders are next.
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Originally Posted by GregBBRD
The 928 crankshafts are so robust, it is very rare to see one damaged, unless there is a thrust bearing failure or a rod bearing failure. A little thing like the piston being stopped BTC, the cylinder breaking, and the rod bending wouldn't even begin to hurt one of those "truck" crankshafts.
Friend has '90 GT crank which came from engine where rod snapped into two at 100mph in autobahn. Lower part of the rod was still attached to crank when it poke four holes, three into block, one of them straight up to see how intake looks from below, one on each side to check headers and fourth straight through oilpan to make sizable dent into engine carrier. After all that crack looks spotless and still measures dead straight.



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