Facing a Dilema for 15.5 Step son, can you modify a 928 to make it slower
09-29-2012, 09:11 PM
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09-30-2012, 12:19 AM
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IMMATURE IN A 928
So you'r step-son is going to have a 928 as his first ride?? Would you put a brand new pilot up in an F-14?? -same thing- Get him something UGLY & SLOW. He'll be a lot less likely to race an ugly car. If I'd had a 928 when I was 16, I never would have made it to 18!! A 928 can be a handful for someone who KNOWS how to drive, with a teen ager behind the wheel it's an MVA looking for a place to happen. When he goes "awww Man!!" tell him driving is maybe the ONLY thing he'll ever do, where, if he screws-up he can kill somebody , OR HIMSELF & dead is forever.
09-30-2012, 05:59 AM
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I'll be the voice of dissent here. At 16, I had full access to the garage: Cadillac, 7 series BMW, and S-Class V8 Mercedes sedans. Never abused any of them. Didn't wreck, didn't race. Depends on the kid.
09-30-2012, 07:50 AM
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Having raised 3 boys, I just want to say to the OP Brad, that you must be willing to be ready for " the call" that notifies you of the crash in which your son was involved. Results vary.
Kids are just that, kids. One DUI, and several crashes later, mine are all OK. In my local area where the first car may be a BMW,Porsche, or similar there are endless stories of bad endings to single car incidents. Teens with underage passengers (illegal), too fast for conditions (that can even be the speed limit for a teen), etc.
Don't "give" a teen a car because you can.
GIVE HIM A TEEN DRIVING COURSE, it may save his life.
Just my opinion, but an experienced one.
Dave
Kids are just that, kids. One DUI, and several crashes later, mine are all OK. In my local area where the first car may be a BMW,Porsche, or similar there are endless stories of bad endings to single car incidents. Teens with underage passengers (illegal), too fast for conditions (that can even be the speed limit for a teen), etc.
Don't "give" a teen a car because you can.
GIVE HIM A TEEN DRIVING COURSE, it may save his life.
Just my opinion, but an experienced one.
Dave
09-30-2012, 05:25 PM
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My first car...
Dad made arrangements, bought it for $1.00.
All my friends had muscle cars. None of my friends wrecked their muscle cars because of the power. They raced often.
My car was the one we took to group events because we could all go together (party wagon).
It only got 8mpg so dad was not afraid I would road trip in it.
I did have two wrecks in the car.
The first I hit a parked car head on at night. There was a woman dancing naked on her front porch, I did a double take and bang. Got a ticket for failure to devote full time and attention. No real damage to cars I was going the 25 mph speed limit.
The second I was broad sided stuck in traffic by a chick in here cute little Toyota. Her fault, nothing I could have done to avoid it. Barely damaged the tank, totalled the toyota. Her dad replaced the toyota with a big buick because of the lack of damage to my wagon.
One of my few friends in HS that did not have a muscle car got a brand new Toyota Corolla. He was very very proud of it. One day, in front of school, a great dane ran out and into the side of his toyota and then ran off. It totalled his corolla.
Dad made arrangements, bought it for $1.00.
All my friends had muscle cars. None of my friends wrecked their muscle cars because of the power. They raced often.
My car was the one we took to group events because we could all go together (party wagon).
It only got 8mpg so dad was not afraid I would road trip in it.
I did have two wrecks in the car.
The first I hit a parked car head on at night. There was a woman dancing naked on her front porch, I did a double take and bang. Got a ticket for failure to devote full time and attention. No real damage to cars I was going the 25 mph speed limit.
The second I was broad sided stuck in traffic by a chick in here cute little Toyota. Her fault, nothing I could have done to avoid it. Barely damaged the tank, totalled the toyota. Her dad replaced the toyota with a big buick because of the lack of damage to my wagon.
One of my few friends in HS that did not have a muscle car got a brand new Toyota Corolla. He was very very proud of it. One day, in front of school, a great dane ran out and into the side of his toyota and then ran off. It totalled his corolla.
09-30-2012, 05:44 PM
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Every car I drove before and for a long time after after I got my license was WFO a fair piece of the time. Most ended up bent and it's fortunate I didn't kill myself or anyone else.
Car to a snotty kid? Not something I'd do. Fast car to a kid, snotty or otherwise, definitely not.
Let his bio-Dad buy his love with a car, if he's still around. If not, let the boy learn to cherish you as the man with the keys. If your wife's not on board with you she is, and has been, part of the problem.
Sorry about the harsh, but you'll do him no favors to let him keep believing he'll get what he wants if he's sufficiently unpleasant to be around.
Car to a snotty kid? Not something I'd do. Fast car to a kid, snotty or otherwise, definitely not.
Let his bio-Dad buy his love with a car, if he's still around. If not, let the boy learn to cherish you as the man with the keys. If your wife's not on board with you she is, and has been, part of the problem.
Sorry about the harsh, but you'll do him no favors to let him keep believing he'll get what he wants if he's sufficiently unpleasant to be around.
Cheers,
Adrian
09-30-2012, 09:38 PM
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I agree, depends on the individual, some kid will think if i crash it, parents will buy him another one or some kid just love the car to death and will not drive fast or race cause he doesn't want anything to happen to his car so possibilities are endless.
10-01-2012, 12:19 AM
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The only reason I kind of got a car when I turned 18 was because my mom was too ill to drive (she had multiple sclerosis, and was losing coordination abilities rapidly). The condition was to shuttle her around as needed, and to share the car with my older brother. It was a Ford Fiesta with 40 hp and manual 4-speed transmission. 0-60 in 21 seconds, and top speed of 81mph.
My parents could have afforded to buy an additional car, but as always, they wanted us to make a serious effort to fulfill our wishes. I had worked since age 11, and had a regular job during my final high school years. So, when I finished high school, we sold the old Fiesta, took my savings, and that's when I got the first car of my own.
IIRC, my parents helped a bit with tax and insurance while I was doing my apprenticeship, but I was on my own with all other cost related to the car. I believe this made me appreciate it much more. I kept it in perfect condition, and drove it for another two years after college.
If I had kids today, I would make sure their first car has ABS and ESP as well as a good set of airbags. I would send them to driving classes where they teach about handling the car in emergency situations. Doing this myself kept me alive in my early years of driving.
My parents could have afforded to buy an additional car, but as always, they wanted us to make a serious effort to fulfill our wishes. I had worked since age 11, and had a regular job during my final high school years. So, when I finished high school, we sold the old Fiesta, took my savings, and that's when I got the first car of my own.
IIRC, my parents helped a bit with tax and insurance while I was doing my apprenticeship, but I was on my own with all other cost related to the car. I believe this made me appreciate it much more. I kept it in perfect condition, and drove it for another two years after college.
If I had kids today, I would make sure their first car has ABS and ESP as well as a good set of airbags. I would send them to driving classes where they teach about handling the car in emergency situations. Doing this myself kept me alive in my early years of driving.
10-01-2012, 12:23 AM
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In the early 80ies I read a story about an 18 year old boy in Germany who got a white 928S for his 18th birthday. A few days later, he wrapped it around a tree. He, and three of his friends died in the wreck.
Those parents weren't "cool" for very long...
Those parents weren't "cool" for very long...
10-01-2012, 08:36 AM
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What's the name of that effect that occurs when the number of known safety features in a car rises, and so does the number of crashes because these people let their guard down when they were driving because they thought a safety feature was going to prevent it, so they become less vigilant?
I think personally cars should be like they were before, no second chances. They'd sure as **** be lighter and deliver better fuel economy, and be a little faster as well. Apply the motorcycle philosophy, no second chances.
I think personally cars should be like they were before, no second chances. They'd sure as **** be lighter and deliver better fuel economy, and be a little faster as well. Apply the motorcycle philosophy, no second chances.
10-02-2012, 10:22 AM
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Wrap him in lots of steel with a small engine. Odds are better than 50% ANY teenage new driver is going to have an accident within the first year. Probably much higher with a somewhat immature driver with a Y chromosome and testosterone surging!!
Gary Knox
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10-02-2012, 10:38 AM
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"What's the name of that effect that occurs when the number of known safety features in a car rises, and so does the number of crashes because these people let their guard down when they were driving because they thought a safety feature was going to prevent it, so they become less vigilant? "
When air bags were first implemented, one of the grumpy old science fiction authors proposed an alternative. Instead of an air bag, he proposed a 12 gage shotgun in the steering column, loaded with buckshot. It was to be triggered by sensors in the front bumper - hit someone, and die. Drivers would be werry, werry careful...
When air bags were first implemented, one of the grumpy old science fiction authors proposed an alternative. Instead of an air bag, he proposed a 12 gage shotgun in the steering column, loaded with buckshot. It was to be triggered by sensors in the front bumper - hit someone, and die. Drivers would be werry, werry careful...
10-02-2012, 10:40 AM
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Thank you for all the support. The Mustang is for sale as far as I am concerned I just need to talk my wife into it. That may take a while but I have the time.
10-02-2012, 10:55 AM
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