SeanR

I might be biased so here goes. Yes, it is OK for you to be on the board. There wouldn't be anyone better fit to be on it due to the amount of communication you have with the community. Who else but a vendor would have a better gauge on the pulse of it's members?

Besides, I knew your feelings about it and I voted for you anyway.

Hilton

I think it is and FWIW I trust you to be aware of your own conflicts of interest and comport yourself accordingly. Despite not making it to oe of the OCIC's in '09 and '12, I've spoken to people who did and they sound well organised. I have a lot of respect for the effort and personal cost of large event organising - even small non-928 events are a headache, let alone ones that require space for 50 928's and their owners!

However, I'd expect some serious discussion pre-nomination with the board and trustees about whether having a vendor as a trustee would reduce support for the club from other vendors, or create conflicts with club goals in regards to visibility at other vendors' events.

I also think some internal board-level mechanism for handling complaints should be established so that if someone feels that there are issues relating to a vendor trustee, there is a clear path to dialogue, instead of the lunatic stone-throwing aspersions on public forums that have been seen lately.

I may be misreading various forums completely, but I think I've seen hints that there have been past communication breakdowns between seniors at the club and some vendors, and I'd like to see the board and trustees working to resolve that, as the more 928 vendors out there, the more support the 928 owners will get in both parts availability, and parts development/replacement.

James-man

Makes sense.

When a club is big enough for people to fight for power and can pull some strings behind the scenes, that raises questions. I expected to see an official representative step up and calm things down to some extent. I missed the memo.

I believe that 928 OC will come out of all of this alive. Folks may shy away for a while until the dust settles. Last thing I would want when joining a club is immediately finding that I have to pick sides. I was disappointed to not see any formal leadership come out and address the issue, even if minimally. But more suspicious are deleted threads on an unrelated forum (here). If there legal considerations around this, then just say so, right?

I was hoping for some light hearted club politics to draw away from the US politics in full force now. Selfish of me, I know.

Peace.

White Lightnin'

I updated my sig on this occasion...

Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net

Nice Sean, I have said I will stay out of the fray unless false statements are made, or I am personally maligned. I have never made any comment that could be remotely perceived as implying Roger profited from the OCIC.

With regard to the comments about a leaderless organization, that is what the 928 OC was before 2003. It provided nothing with the exception of sponsoring a single event per year.

With the constant statements regarding the health of the 928 OC, it has more annually paying members than it ever has had, including the 22 new members in the past 60 days.

40% growth in the past two years.

The negativity spoken of, is by the same posters in this forum, many of them in this thread. All you have to do is go back 60 days in the 928 OC forums and you will not find any negativity, just 928 owners helping 928 owners.

Just the facts for those willing to consider them.

Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net

There has not been any issues in the past 9 years with vendors, there were issues before that time, but they were all mended. The 928 OC was a sponsor at events for all the major vendors in the past few years.

Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net

I don't know what issue you are seeking to have addressed, but I will be happy to respond to questions you might have either here, at the 928 OC forums or in private correspondence.

Mrmerlin

Stan Shaw, is there any reason that I could not be given a membership ,
and in return I would assist the members of the 928 OC with mechanical expertise.
That would mean I would write detailed how toos on fixing various systems/parts of the 928.

I was approached to do this before, and when I said I would provide my skills in exchange for a membership it was turned down.

I am still open to do this as I think it would be a valuable extra available to the membership.
Of course they could also come to RL or Pelican and get similar issues examined and possibly solved.
Do you see a value here?
Thanks for your time, Stan

Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net

Stan,

The board would need to approve this, but I had once proposed to the board that there could be a small fee paid to those who provided good documentation. So, I would be in favor of something like you suggest.

I am really interested to know who you proposed your idea to, as I would have been a big advocate. Do you remember who it was?

MGW-Fla

Roger, I hope you please reconsider being a trustee should you win one of the two spots. You have always been a big supporter of the OC & all 928ers as a whole. I believe you have much to contribute. I'm certain there is a way to ensure there is no appearance of impropriety or conflict of interest on matters that might present that potential. Perhaps you could abstain from voting or such. I have no doubt of your integrity in 928 matters or otherwise.

I remember for three of our Fla OC functions, without any request made to you, & on your own kindness, you shipped us lots of free 928 goodies for us to give to the attendees. They were greatly appreciated by all who received them. I know that the retail cost of the items provide was even more than the generous monetary support the OC provided(which was vital for us to have a memento made to provide the attendees & also greatly appreciated too).

I think it points to how all 928ers help & contribute to each other, no matter what groups they are in, or forums they go to, in PCA or not, etc. That speaks to the general & strong bond that 928ers share.

Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net

In the past people have questioned whether vendors should be on the 928 OC board. I have advised due to the lack of volunteers those who are 928 vendors are often the only people to volunteer.

I have solicited most, if not all, of the board members who have been elected to the board to serve, but only as trustee positions, they include:
Nicole Mossinger
David Roberts
Wally Plumley
Constatine Golovaty
Roger Tyson

I have *never* been advised or witnessed any of these people acting improperly in their positions of trustee.

Mrmerlin

Stan I dont remember who it was that was asking me to post my threads to the OC but I was asked to do so

Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net

Ok, when you say posting your threads, it sounds like something Brad (928mac) might have asked for on his own.

What I was hoping you were asking is whether you could provide documentation, that you developed, in a consistent format, so that it could be stored as a pdf and printed off by users as desired to use when working on their 928s.

My idea was to develop such documents in a word format, so they can be easily edited if desired. These would become part of the 928 OC Technical Library, and to be clear it is a 928 OC members forum.

While you may have your own documentation, I also have Greg Nichol's permission to copy his site documentation into upgraded formats for similar storage. These documents would become the property of the 928 Owners Club members.

Is that an idea you would like to propose to the board, or perhaps an alternative?

mickster

Where's Clint Eastwood when you need him...

James-man

Thanks Stan,

PM Sent.

My apologies for not thinking to do so earlier.