C4Scott

What is this car worth really assuming PPI is average at best?

Thinking of selling my 91 with 39k miles but after putting 10k into her after u got her last August. Still have a long way to go to go.

Is the GTS worth me giving up 10 I just spent to "trade up" to the GTS.

I plan to keep either forever.

Don't give me it's up to me I'm asking the forums opinion.

JWise

To me, most of what the GTS offers is intangible - the "last of the series", the "ultimate 928", etc. The tangible side is mainly limited to the larger 5.4 liter engine, the flared rear fenders and wider track, along with the rear bumper cap with reflector strip. One could arguably say the '89GT was the ultimate "performance" 928, with the hotter cams, short ratio transaxle with straight cut ring & pinion, rolled fenders for wider tires, shorter shifter, etc. From a pure value standpoint, I find it difficult to justify the price difference between the GTS and a S4 or GT, and I say that as someone who would like to have a GTS someday. If money is no object and you desire the model generally perceived as "the best", go for a GTS. If not, a top-notch S4 or GT will give you virtually all of the experience for less.

I might add, the driving experience does have some differences. If you like low-end torque, it's tough to be a GTS - no fuss, no muss, just romp on it. As you know, the GT excels at the upper end of the RPM range, and the banshee wail of a RMB-equipped GT will raise the hair on your neck.

pcar928fan

I tell everyone I meet who is looking for a 928, "if you want the ULTIMATE 928 then get a GTS. If you can only have ONE 928 and it can't be a GTS then get an '89." So I am with Jarrod on a lot of what he said.

Just look at my fleet...you can see that I am a GTS fan... I don't think anyone has more GTS's (that actually run and are nice) and eventually I'll finish out the GTS collection with a '93... cheapest and most abundant of the GTS's...should be easy.

I'd say if this car has an average ppi and looks decent inside and out then $28k would not be to much. That said there is NOTHING special about a black/auto/sunroof GTS! NOTHING! There are more of these very cars than any other GTS made. Black was the most built color of all the GTS's.

namasgt

GTS have engine problems from the factory, oil burning issues because oil drain back holes were never drilled all the way trough the piston. All the 93 and early 94 models have the infamous weak 1R connecting rod that Porsche insist to replace with the newer design 2R rod used on the later 94 and 95 models.
928 GTS cars look nice with the rear flares and the reflector on the rear bumper, but their engines are not the most desirable of the product line from the factory.
To me every single GTS out there needs an engine rebuilt because of the design mistakes made from Porsche.
That car is at best a $26000 GTS.

928ntslow

Most know where I stand on this issue. It DOES all come down to what you really want and how much you are willing to pay. Keeping that in mind...99% of the people here that devalue the GTS are the ones who don't own them. I've seen it time and time again on RL.

The R1 rod conversation has no place in the purchase of a GTS unless #1, the engine had issues below 30K miles and #2...you are going racing. Which in that case, I don't care what kind of 928 you have, unless you have a race prepped engine, you're gonna F*** it up.

No one will deny the oil issues, but that varies from GTS to GTS. I had that issue with mine. I installed a Sharkvent and this issue is GONE.

I am often amazed at many who work hard to sway thoughts with what they think are educated statements, but are just repeating what they had heard over certain issues taking them out of context. Not just GTS's, but ALL 928's.

I've owned four pre GTS's...loved them ALL...but there is no comparison to a proper GTS. The biggest issue with a GTS is the same that applies to all other 928's....you get what you pay for. Most owners buy what they can afford.

My advice...never buy a cheap GTS....just as you shouldn't buy a cheap 928. The same issues always apply going up the scale.

C4Scott

Here are few more qualifications.

I can’t build a stable so I can only have one but my budget isn’t super tight from the upkeep/upgrade perspective

I don’t turn wrenches as well as any of you (yeah I know why did I even get a 928)

If I can only have one then should I think about selling my current 928 for this or any GTS around 30k.

My 1991 S4 has 38,000 miles 2 owner car. PO took care of it great first 10 years and mainly sat last 10. I bought mine it is 8/2011

I just put 4 good new tires on her.
I just did the TB, WP, replaced driving light, replaced all the speakers and added a Shark Woofer, and head unit.

The car is a 9.5 of 10 on the inside and 7.5 on the outside. PO bumped (read scraped) the front bumper and a couple of small dents up on front qtr panels. All electronics work but AC just stopped.

I will drive this car mainly for driving enjoyment and propabably not mod it too much if at all except where modern technology really upgrades the car but it still look stock as possible. Ill never race it except against myself in my head. I also have a 996 C4S for DE type stuff.

What I’m saying is I’ve got a nice one now and probably am at least 1/2 of the way back to making it very nice 1991 S4 but it’s not a GTS. That is what I would have gotten originally but started reading the forum AFTER I got the 91 S4.

Is the delta great enough between the two cars from what I’ve written to chuck the 10k I just put into the 91 to try and talk these guys out of that GTS for what it should go for anyway? Or should I just enjoy the 91, get it as close to right as I can probably for another 7-8k and keep my eyes open for a GTS down the line? What would you do?

What the right price/value GTS. Money is an object but I also never buy the cheapest of anything. Whats the right $ for a decent GTS then?

I may pay for a PPI and post the info back fo reveryone on this one.

928ntslow

I guarantee you, if you buy any GTS for under $35K, you are going to be starting over in some way or another (even $40K)...it is going to require some kind of work. Granted, folks get lucky from time to time, but that is rare. If you want a car that is turn key, you are going to pay for it, especially a GTS. Common GTS's are out there (if you can call them common) which this one may be a good example, nothing special about it other than it is a GTS. Buy this car and you will be putting some $$$$'s into it. This is when you have to think, is it worth paying the premium to own a "starter" GTS or settle for a non GTS that will give you the performance and looks that you want that require less attention. Just remember...it will never be a GTS.

No one can make a decision for you, but I can share a story that may help you. My first 928 was a 1982 auto. Was a beauty when I got it, but needed work. I paid around 8K for it. I had it for several years and put an incredible amount of money into the car. Not only to make it look nice, but run incredibly well. There was a lot more I could have done to it and invested to get it to what I wanted. When we'd get together, Dr Bob said a few times, why not just buy a more powerful, better condition car? I think it sunk in the 3rd time he told me. I was spending all this money to have a well sorted car that would never compare to the car I wanted it to be. I just thought since I didn't have all the money at once, I could never afford the car I really wanted. At the end when I sold it, I didn't get much more than what I originally paid. Had a lot of fun though...just wished that I had waited, saved and had all that money back. I could have had a GTS years sooner...and probably could have purchased a very low mileage one at that which was turn key!

I think most all of us who had purchased their first 928, just wanted to get into the 928 mystique as quickly and cheaply as they could. A chance to run with the big dogs out there that own other super cars. Then they find they have to spend money (lots of it) to get the car close to what their initial dream or vision was. Let's face it, most of us are not ridiculously wealthy. If we were, we probably wouldn't be wasting our time and money with these cars. If you had the money, the chances of owning a 928 probably wouldn't be your first choice. That being said, there is still a small percentage of folks with coin out there that are willing to pay what it takes to own the 928's that are at the top of the market. There aren't many of those left these days. ALWAYS remember, you get what you pay for.

NoVector

If you believe your car is a 9.5 out of 10, it would be hard to sell it and go in the red--especially $10K. On the otherhand, it's hard to imagine GTS prices getting cheaper.

As a datapoint, I just added up what I've spent on my GTS in the past 3 years and I'm up to ~$13K. So, I would imagine you would be in the same boat with this 94. That would put you somewhere near $20-25K in the red plus the cost of the car.

pcar928fan

I am not going to add it up for fear of depression, but I suspect I have not spent half that on BOTH my '92 and '94 GTS's combined Bruce! What did you spend $13k+ on bro?! I am including a T-belt R&R on both those cars and don't think I have spent half of what you are quoting there... That said, I have plenty of other 928's to choose from so I don't HAVE to fix every little thing on them right away...

86'928S MeteorGrey

If it were me, I'd stick with the '91. It will accelerate and move far faster that you will ever require (even while taking crazy pills) on the street.

That being said, you are not me. I have no idea what kind of money you really have to purchase and maintain a vehicle.

If I had the cash, and I also liked white cars (as it seems you do), I'd be going onto ebay and placing the $42,000 starting bid on this one white 928GTS....

It's almost a no brainer.

pcar928fan

Keith's GTS is AMAZING and worth every penny he is asking and then some I think! If you need/want a REALLY NICE GTS you can't go wrong with his. You have to realize (as Keith said) if you are spending less than $35k on a GTS, you are probably just trading off maintenance needs for a cheap purchase price and will probably GET TO Keith's $42k opening bid sooner rather than later!

928ntslow

Thanks James Honestly, my car is one that has to be seen in person to really appreciate it. Those that have, understand.

In respect to the car in question , you would be spending way more (initial cost of the car included) than my starting price, JUST to get it to the condition of my car....and it still wouldn't be a 5spd, have the factory Sport seats, Sport tuned suspension, all leather, blah blah blah...

For those in the know, $42K is a low price for such a car. The only thing that keeps it at this price is the myth of mileage. I have to resolve to the fact that Americans have always known cars over 50K miles to be high mileage cars. But we all (SHOULD) know, a well maintained 928 will run exceptionally well, like new, for many many more years and miles. I can guarantee, my cars runs and performs better than most lower mileage 928's you will find....and it will remain that way as long as it is maintained.

Oh yeah...and remember too, once you get over $30K on the sale price of a 928, you start to get into a completely differently class of buyer...over $40K, probably only a select few on RL.

The black GTS, well, its a good deal for someone that just wants a GTS and wants to put a little into it to own one.