justaguy

Your set up your way.
This is an endevour to make a dam good handling car a little better if possible.
Brian's estate will leave just about any street 928 in the dust at T-Hill. I don't care what the set up is or how much power it has.

jheis

My point is that the knee jerk first (and often only) performance "upgrade" that most people do is to increase to front swaybar - which will only make the car understeer more.

More must be better, right? Wrong.

James

Speedtoys

James:

Short answer:
It Depends.

Long answer:
It Depends.

The answer for you:
It Depends on you.

Most Other People...think flat=fast.

And it is, until you eat the mountain..or fall off of it.



Since cars dont typically drive themselves, how many things typically work..dont always work the way they are typically expected to do so.

There is a point of too much..of anything, or too little, but...it depends.


Ive lapped cars with $10s of 1000s more "car" suspension, and HP in a bone stock & overheating mid 90s mustang on street tires..and yes, they WERE trying. (Also at a press event for Hotchkiss, Yokohama, and Vortech at Buttonwillow in 2002, which was filmed and broadcast by Popular Hot Rodding Magazine handing out this measure of ***).

You just get used to driving a certain manner, changing to a different car will force certain changes to meet the car's potential, but..any car will still be worked to the driver's individual preferences.

I so so sorely miss racing..but I made a choice to not keep up with the costs anymore, and dove into the social end of it as a volunteer and official...and im enjoying it just as much..if not more.

Need to get the rx8 back to Thunderhill this spring on a cool day with the 928 crowd..and exhibit some WTF'ness of 1.8 awesome litres of momentum management.



But..it depends.

justaguy

You know the car we are talking about right? This decision is a long ways from a knee jerk and defineitely not the first or only mod. That's actually pretty funny.

mark kibort

many cars can be driven to understeer just as they can oversteer. for a year, my friend with the 928 6 liter, told me of his oversteer problems. I took him for a ride, put the hammer down on many tight turns, and never got a wiggle.
He has a few DE days under his belt too. handling is a interesting topic.

much of the understeer of a 928 is due to the small tires up front.you dont want to cure understeer with oversteer remedies. then, you just get a car that 4 wheel drifts or is unstable in turns. (understeers in and oversteers out of turns).

what i have found, driving stiffly sprung and lightly sprung 928s, is that there is a correct spring set up matched with swaybars. swaybars can help, lightly sprung cars, generally street car setups. if you think of how a sway bar works, it fights compression of the outside turning wheel, at the expense of the inside wheel being lifted up against its spring .

jheis

Sorry if you took offense, but if you read my comments you will see that they were directed at those who slap on a bigger front sway bar thinking it's going to be a magical handling "improvement" without any consideration for what it does to the overall balance of the car.

James

SeanR

Where do you see those comments?

Mike LaBranche

Oh man, I'd sign up for a ride in that beast again... in a heartbeat. 5 star, e-ticket ride...

IcemanG17

I should put a passenger seat in the Estate.....I do have a set of Sparco "sport" seats around somewhere

In terms of setup, I do understand that a stronger front bar will INCREASE understeer.....just like stiffer front springs would..... My issue is a bit more specialized than that....so for my purposes it will improve the cars overall handling...& if it makes understeer an issue I can always adjust the alignment & rear bar to compensate for it.....

The estate is a work in progress....a classic grassroots racing whip....how good can I possibly make it for the least amount of $$$ possible..... With lap times faster than ALL spec miata's....I am confident there Isn't another race-track car that can match its lap times per $$$.....

I also agree with Sean that there isn't a "street" 928 that can beat the estate....even HUGE power 928's like Louies-Todd-Andy's......the answer is WEIGHT.....those are 3600+lbs....the estate is 2800lbs