pcar928fan

Agree with both of the above. $20k plus $5k to fix stuff...and having a LIKE NEW 928... DEAL!!!

To bad they replaced those tires (unless they couldn't hold air and were REALLY, REALLY cracked on the side walls). I still have my original wheels and tires for BLU82 when she goes to shows. She sits on good new tires and wheels that, while not as nice as the originals, are very nice and a match for the originals!

Don't get me wrong guys, I am not panning this car in anyway! I think it is AWESOME, but it just seems to have been treated VERY HARSHLY in the VERY FEW miles it has purportedly traveled! Dents, more dirt than I would expect, rust...just does not really add up...

Marine Blue

Something definitely doesn't add up. My opinion is formed based upon the condition of the engine bay and the interior. The carpets are matted and the leather is stretched slightly and faded. Either the car sat outside for years without protection or the mileage is incorrect and someone did a decent restoration to make it look new.

Chucks Kermit was a true low mileage car and that is how this car should look too considering it only has 6k miles.

linderpat

IIRC, Chuck did a fair amount of restoration and cleaning on Kermit before it looked like it did when we all saw it. I don't know what it looked like before it was done.

Vilhuer

One early eighties MY production started some months later than normal according to Excellence was expected book. Don't have book on hand right now but it should have some info why and what MY.

Jadz928

I don't understand what all the anti-hype is about. The speedo could just as easily been replaced at the dealer at the purchaser's request. There's always stories to these cars, and speculation just ain't cuttin' the cake.

Of course the car is going to need a cash infusion, as a driver or time capsule. And I'm sure the price will reflect that. It needs a few thinks to make it perfect.

I remember when Kermit was FS before Chuck bought it. It was FAR from clean, and needed work. The price reflected this as well. The asking price was under $20K... more like $18K IIRC.

And Blue82 wasn't perfect either. I'm sure Kie put a fair amount of money into it to perform the work needed to bring it up to standard (which attracted a buyer like James).

So, lets think about this optimistically. Buy it for $15-20K, put $5-10K into, have yourself a $40-50K car. I'm sure both Kermit and Blue82 are valued at NO LESS than that.

"Ah! It's a profit deal!"

Marine Blue

I agree that Chuck and Kie probably did a great deal of work on Kermit and Blue82, my impression is that most of the work was limited to cleaning and replacement of soft parts (seals/gaskets etc) but nothing more. Neither of those two cars needed carpeting, any major leather conditioning or re-plating of nuts/bolts and other parts. When I had my 33K mile GT none of the cad plating was worn or deteriorated and the interior was perfect with exception to the rear window leather trim which was warped. If I can easily see that these areas look tired in the pictures I have to imagine they look worse in person.

I'm not saying the car isn't worth purchasing, I'm just saying I don't think the condition reflects the mileage. Easiest way to prove me wrong is to ask the seller for records tracing back to purchase. If they aren't available and carfax doesn't back it up then I would question it.

pcar928fan

Afshin and I are on the same page on this one. Looks to be a GREAT car, but it does need confirmation that the mileage is accurate because it just does not seem to be so.

BLU82 took about $4k to bring up to full working and driving standards...where it remains today. No body work needed and nothing more than a quick going over to the interior. The exterior needed a really good bath, but that was about it... Glad it is sitting in my garage! Oh, yea it would take $50k to pry the keys of that car out of my hands...

Jadz928

I read you guys loud and clear. At this mileage, it is ALL ABOUT THE MILES. Over 30K miles, it matters much less to the "time capsule" folks, and becomes a NICE driver car. The potential value drops exponentially as miles increase. I get it.
If I was in for this one, that would be first order of business for me too. Second order, numbers matching, etc.

Based on how Earl presents this car, he's not in the business of fetching top dollar. It may be less of an concern for him to furnish proof of mileage, but should be a great concern to the potential purchaser. That is, if the purchaser is looking to elevate the car to a Kermit/Blue82 level. Otherwise, pay a premium for a premuim car, drive it, and don't worry about the miles.

depami

Guys, it's just a car!

I hope who ever gets it, uses it like it was intended, and drives the crap out of it.

What good is it if it is not used as intended?

Give it to me and in less than five years it will look like my "dirty little red *****"!

redpathtribe

Some belated questions after going through this thread again:

The close up of the hood emblem looks silver + the red and black. I thought they were all gold + the red and black from the factory. I know the gold can wear off over time and start to look silver, but this looks either silver or the gold is completely worn off. Were any hood emblems silver from the factory?

The hood liner has a square "honeycomb" look. Is this correct on the early cars? My GT hood liner had a diagonal quilted look, but was starting to come apart so I replaced it with a new one from Porsche that looks just like this square honeycomb one...

danglerb

Half a dozen unique bidders seem potentially still active, unless there is a last second snipe. I'm more curious at this point about who is bidding, than I am about the car. The car should be easy to resolve all issues with a basic inspection, which it doesn't appear anybody has done. One of the things I don't care for about ebay auctions is that some buyers feel free to inspect after the auction and either reject or attempt to negotiate.

Fun to watch and speculate, but I am sure glad I have no iron in the fire.

pcar928fan

^^^^^
I agree it should be easy to put right, but at the price that is likely to be required to buy this car you want to be damn sure the mileage is accurate!

Someone buy BLU82 from me for $50k and I'll buy this one (so as to keep a preservation car around) and then get another car I can drive and have it repainted to Arrow blue so I can actually take it out and enjoy it daily!

Landseer

Careful, James, anybody who loves these cars might call you on that.

kiesan

Can't speak for Kermit, but all I did to Blue82 was use a garden hose to remove 25 years of hermetically sealed dust. I then flatbedded it to a mechanic who changed all the belts/fluids. Then I gently washed it using a new bucket and wash mitt. The guys from Excellence showed up and took pictures. James phoned and beat me up. Some Russian guys arrived in a big truck and hauled it away. The end

This car looks pretty fricking good though. Don't the seats seem more "squished down" than you might expect with 5k miles? Compare them to the black seats in my '84 with 72k miles:

Spun

Depends on what was done with the car and who owned it. If it was owned by an economy sized person, then this is easy to see. If it was used for driving in parades or was sat in a lot, then this could be right.

Also, every seat is a little different. Could have also been a less than perfect seat from day one that was prone to wear quickly.

I always wonder about these cars with no miles on them. They all have an odd story to my how you can have a car meant for driving with no driving on it.... I think anything under 100K miles on them odd... but I put 25K miles on cars a year.