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12-14-2011, 01:21 PM
#91
Three Wheelin'
Probably because he's not talking about 928 vendors. Apparently everyone has forgotten or just hasn't been around long enough to know that Sterling is NOT a buy it off the shelf type of guy.
12-14-2011, 10:14 PM
#92
Rennlist Member
Sterling,
My $9.28 cents.
I THOUGHT my hobby was modifying cars, but after a while I realized that I get my joy from coming up with the ideas and testing out these ideas via sketches, mock-ups, or calculations.
Once I come up with something that I know will work, in my head, or on paper/computer, I am happy with it. I feel lucky that I can draw and visualize (and calculate) well enough to work through ideas. Sometimes, something sounds good, but when I draw it out, it just doesn't work, for one reason or another. Better to find out this way, than to test it by creating it, in my book.
Once I am convinced (or have deluded myself into thinking) something will work, getting it implemented is beside the point. I know implementing is exponentially more difficult (and dense) - heavily laden with dependencies on others, as you know - than the more fluid process of idea creation and development. Failure can happen for many other reasons than whether what I came up with could really fly or not, and I know that. I wait patiently, to find the right resources to make it happen, if those resources ever show, because I know (or have convinced myself) that it will work.
I suspect you already know:
Shops/Tradesmen are known to quote based on their willingness to do the work. High, if they don't want to do it, so that it becomes "worth it" if you agree, but they are often ignoring that their unwillingness is a reflection of their inability, and no matter the $$$ motivation of you accepting the bid, they still can't do it.
AND some also quote based on the money they see available.
Coming in with a Porsche can automatically raise your quote, unfortunately.
Get more quotes!
People lie to themselves all the time, why should they treat you or I any differently?
My $9.28 cents.
I THOUGHT my hobby was modifying cars, but after a while I realized that I get my joy from coming up with the ideas and testing out these ideas via sketches, mock-ups, or calculations.
Once I come up with something that I know will work, in my head, or on paper/computer, I am happy with it. I feel lucky that I can draw and visualize (and calculate) well enough to work through ideas. Sometimes, something sounds good, but when I draw it out, it just doesn't work, for one reason or another. Better to find out this way, than to test it by creating it, in my book.
Once I am convinced (or have deluded myself into thinking) something will work, getting it implemented is beside the point. I know implementing is exponentially more difficult (and dense) - heavily laden with dependencies on others, as you know - than the more fluid process of idea creation and development. Failure can happen for many other reasons than whether what I came up with could really fly or not, and I know that. I wait patiently, to find the right resources to make it happen, if those resources ever show, because I know (or have convinced myself) that it will work.
I suspect you already know:
Shops/Tradesmen are known to quote based on their willingness to do the work. High, if they don't want to do it, so that it becomes "worth it" if you agree, but they are often ignoring that their unwillingness is a reflection of their inability, and no matter the $$$ motivation of you accepting the bid, they still can't do it.
AND some also quote based on the money they see available.
Coming in with a Porsche can automatically raise your quote, unfortunately.
Get more quotes!
People lie to themselves all the time, why should they treat you or I any differently?
12-14-2011, 10:37 PM
#93
Rennlist Member
Sterling,
My $9.28 cents.
I THOUGHT my hobby was modifying cars, but after a while I realized that I get my joy from coming up with the ideas and testing out these ideas via sketches, mock-ups, or calculations.
Once I come up with something that I know will work, in my head, or on paper/computer, I am happy with it. I feel lucky that I can draw and visualize (and calculate) well enough to work through ideas. Sometimes, something sounds good, but when I draw it out, it just doesn't work, for one reason or another. Better to find out this way, than to test it by creating it, in my book.
Once I am convinced (or have deluded myself into thinking) something will work, getting it implemented is beside the point. I know implementing is exponentially more difficult (and dense) - heavily laden with dependencies on others, as you know - than the more fluid process of idea creation and development. Failure can happen for many other reasons than whether what I came up with could really fly or not, and I know that. I wait patiently, to find the right resources to make it happen, if those resources ever show, because I know (or have convinced myself) that it will work.
I suspect you already know:
Shops/Tradesmen are known to quote based on their willingness to do the work. High, if they don't want to do it, so that it becomes "worth it" if you agree, but they are often ignoring that their unwillingness is a reflection of their inability, and no matter the $$$ motivation of you accepting the bid, they still can't do it.
AND some also quote based on the money they see available.
Coming in with a Porsche can automatically raise your quote, unfortunately.
Get more quotes!
People lie to themselves all the time, why should they treat you or I any differently?
My $9.28 cents.
I THOUGHT my hobby was modifying cars, but after a while I realized that I get my joy from coming up with the ideas and testing out these ideas via sketches, mock-ups, or calculations.
Once I come up with something that I know will work, in my head, or on paper/computer, I am happy with it. I feel lucky that I can draw and visualize (and calculate) well enough to work through ideas. Sometimes, something sounds good, but when I draw it out, it just doesn't work, for one reason or another. Better to find out this way, than to test it by creating it, in my book.
Once I am convinced (or have deluded myself into thinking) something will work, getting it implemented is beside the point. I know implementing is exponentially more difficult (and dense) - heavily laden with dependencies on others, as you know - than the more fluid process of idea creation and development. Failure can happen for many other reasons than whether what I came up with could really fly or not, and I know that. I wait patiently, to find the right resources to make it happen, if those resources ever show, because I know (or have convinced myself) that it will work.
I suspect you already know:
Shops/Tradesmen are known to quote based on their willingness to do the work. High, if they don't want to do it, so that it becomes "worth it" if you agree, but they are often ignoring that their unwillingness is a reflection of their inability, and no matter the $$$ motivation of you accepting the bid, they still can't do it.
AND some also quote based on the money they see available.
Coming in with a Porsche can automatically raise your quote, unfortunately.
Get more quotes!
People lie to themselves all the time, why should they treat you or I any differently?
So you never actually implement any of your ideas? You just draw and re-draw them until you believe that they would work and then you move on?
12-14-2011, 10:48 PM
#94
Rennlist Member
Another one? barely have time for whats on my slate now....928, r/c models to 100" span, her Miata, pcs...Its more a question of which one will fade off the list first..
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jp 83 Euro S AT 54k
12-14-2011, 11:01 PM
#95
You know Sterling, I'm just going to put this out there.
There are people who don't even know what Rennlist is who have heard of your car. It is like some kind of Urban 928 Legend or something.
They say the first 90% of result takes the first 90% of effort, and the last 10% takes the other 90.
Hang in there.
There are people who don't even know what Rennlist is who have heard of your car. It is like some kind of Urban 928 Legend or something.
They say the first 90% of result takes the first 90% of effort, and the last 10% takes the other 90.
Hang in there.
12-14-2011, 11:16 PM
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You know Sterling, I'm just going to put this out there.
There are people who don't even know what Rennlist is who have heard of your car. It is like some kind of Urban 928 Legend or something.
They say the first 90% of result takes the first 90% of effort, and the last 10% takes the other 90.
Hang in there.
There are people who don't even know what Rennlist is who have heard of your car. It is like some kind of Urban 928 Legend or something.
They say the first 90% of result takes the first 90% of effort, and the last 10% takes the other 90.
Hang in there.
I definitely feel like I put 180% into it...
12-15-2011, 12:07 AM
#98
Rennlist Member
Definitely some interesting suggestions coming out of this thread.
12-15-2011, 02:03 AM
#99
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There is a fuzzy boundary where ideas and their implementations meet - where prototypes are necessary to help flesh out those things we have not anticipated. But it is a fuzzy area, especially with today's computers. It is also fuzzy because of the folks that have so much real world experience in a trade, that they can model things in their heads, and therefore anticipate many of the real-world constraints. I come from the ideas, and they come from the experience. I am limited by my lack of implementation experience, they are limited to the world of their implementation experiences. Each can accomplish great things alone and through a hand-off approach, both working together can accomplish magical things (ala A.C. Clarke).
The technical/descriptive diagrams from my day job have travelled the world, literally, and, along with luck, have afforded me that Stroker (and it's upkeep!). But, no, I did not draw up it's plans - those probably came from GB's world of experience.
The bad thing is, I will find two or three hours fly by while I am drawing. It's like time stands still, but, of course, it doesn't. Here is a mockup, in Microsoft Paint of all things (yeah, I need to upgrade my photo-chop tools), of some body graphics and other ideas done to the car in my avatar. Eventually I hope to implement it, or something close to it, when the time is right (after some mechanical work and a sharktune). The second diagram is me playing with a traditional Tri-Y exhaust set-up. It lead me to an idea (not shown) that I will create a thread about. Since I don't know when I will get to implement the exhaust idea, I would be more than glad to see someone else implement it first. However, exhaust systems seem to have a very fuzzy boundary!
Anyway, I don't mean to hijack this thread. I admire the work Sterling does - he is creating ideas AND implementing them - a tough act to follow. As others have done, I would encourage Sterling to hang in there, but also to be aware of the two beasts he is wrestling with, simultaneously!
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