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Old 10-28-2011, 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by rad_951
I know nothing about engine building... I assume that piston was not intended for the 928 since there is a large gap one one side of the wrist pin?
Actually I suspect that the piston was specifically intended for this particular application and that is why the gap between the wrist pin bosses is so wide--in order to accomodate the intended use of standard Chevy 5.85 rods that happen to have the correct length for the change in the stroke.

The offset that results is of no consequence and the problems associated with it are a myth. Or, if you are convinced that it might be a problem, you can pay $2500 for the only rods that are supposedly compensating for it rather than those on eBay for $400, or whatever your other best alternative might be, but probaby not more that $500.

Sombody on here is making the mistake of assuming that since I have developed some plastic items for 928s that that is the only thing I am capable of doing or knowing. Big Big mistake.

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Originally Posted by rad_951
I know nothing about engine building... I assume that piston was not intended for the 928 since there is a large gap one one side of the wrist pin?
It is not the piston, it is the rod.
Old 10-28-2011, 09:00 PM
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Instead of acting like a schoolboy "someone assumes I don't know... that's a big big mistake"... go ahead and tell us now. What is your experience and knowledge regarding engine building? How many engines have you built? Give us details. We all know Greg's credentials. Now I call you on yours. If I am wrong, I will apologize.
Old 10-28-2011, 09:01 PM
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This is an interesting thread.

Just posting as me - to see if we can't keep it on topic.

Best to all,

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Old 10-28-2011, 09:03 PM
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Nice to see your venerable name here JD
Old 10-28-2011, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by GregBBRD
Because the "beam" of the rod is not "centered" on the "cap" piece of the rod. You can see this, in his picture. This "offset" varies from engine to engine, depending on design. Move the left hand bores and the right hand bores .065" towards each other and those rods will be centered....as if they were in a Chevy engine.

The other option is to move the "beam" of the rod more towards the center of the rod "cap"....like a 928 engine requires.
OK, so that's an "early" style chevy rod with offset? Isn't that slightly worse than using a centered LS rod? Not that you would be the one to say either of those were best ;-)
Personally I like to modify titanium rods to be centered in my own engine but if I didn't do that I would order some from you.
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Originally Posted by heinrich
Can those of us who have any engine building experience, please answer technical engine building questions. And can those who are here only to sell plastic wheel covers, PLEASE PLEASE stop giving people the world's very worst advice on engine building, a topic of which they clearly know zip zero nada? PLEASE!

That picture looks to me like a perfect example of what GB has been saying.
Building engines is one thing, what you get into here is the design end of it.
Old 10-28-2011, 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by heinrich
Nice to see your venerable name here JD
Thanks, my friend...

I just read a lot - usually don't post a lot, but - in this thread - I'd sort of like to keep it on topic..?

Back to the subject at hand, OK?

Best to all,

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Old 10-28-2011, 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Jerry Feather
Actually I suspect that the piston was specifically intended for this particular application and that is why the gap between the wrist pin bosses is so wide
No, that piston is your generic garden variety forging that must be able to fit a variety of sizes on a single forging and allow whatever small end width is needed from a variety of applications.
That 'far away post design', ugh. Don't get me started on a piston design rant!
Old 10-28-2011, 09:17 PM
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Of course John. After all the excellent years here, if you asked me to whistle Dixie, I'd strongly consider it
Originally Posted by John D.
Thanks, my friend...

I just read a lot - usually don't post a lot, but - in this thread - I'd sort of like to keep it on topic..?

Back to the subject at hand, OK?

Best to all,

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Old 10-28-2011, 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by heinrich
Of course John. After all the excellent years here, if you asked me to whistle Dixie, I'd strongly consider it
You cant' whistle Dixie any better than I can

My thanks and best to you,

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Originally Posted by blown 87
Building engines is one thing, what you get into here is the design end of it.
Hi Greg. I think what you are aluding to is that it doesn't make much difference how many engines I might have or have not built, but rather how much do I know about how one metal object pushes against another with maybe even extreme force, such as about 150,000 pounds of force, and how, under actual observation they react.

My experience as a fabricator, I think, clearly trumps any experinmce of the wrenches who call themselves engine builders, because they simply have never actually seen what is going on inside the engine when the forces are being applied, whereas I have had extensive experience watching the very thing that we are talkng about take place over and over in the Hydcraulic press.

The fact that my repetition is only a few time per hour is really not much different than the hundreds or thousands of time per hour that it is taking place in the engine.

I submit that my experience trumps any that the wrenches might allege to have building an engine since they never see actually what is going on. They merely have to guess about it; and they are clearly wrong in this case!

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Hi John D. Are you who I think you are? JF
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Originally Posted by Jerry Feather
Hi John D. Are you who I think you are? JF
It is, he's God to the rest of us mortals.
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Yes, and me too. Jf


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