GTS engine bay - whats missing?
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GTS engine bay - whats missing?
Hello everyone,
I am a prospective first time 928 purchaser and am looking for a daily driver (no garage queen) where I can also get back into some DIY maintenance.
Living in Bahrain, there isn't a plentiful supply of cars but I have found an early GTS which looks interesting.
Looking under the bonnet there appears to be a few parts missing; I am not sure how crucial these are for the car to run smoothly and so ask your assistance.
At the moment the battery is dead so I have not been able to see the car started ot take it for a test drive.
The items i think are missing are:
Is there anything else i have missed?
Also, I tried to locate an engine number but failed miserably.
Best regards
Mark
I am a prospective first time 928 purchaser and am looking for a daily driver (no garage queen) where I can also get back into some DIY maintenance.
Living in Bahrain, there isn't a plentiful supply of cars but I have found an early GTS which looks interesting.
Looking under the bonnet there appears to be a few parts missing; I am not sure how crucial these are for the car to run smoothly and so ask your assistance.
At the moment the battery is dead so I have not been able to see the car started ot take it for a test drive.
The items i think are missing are:
- Front part of air intake hoses
- Bonnet(Hood) struts
- Washer reservoir cap
Is there anything else i have missed?
Also, I tried to locate an engine number but failed miserably.
Best regards
Mark
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Missing the fan shroud so I'm guessing the fans are no longer there. Battery jump post cover, cover for the head light motor, and has more than normal amount of sand.
Roger and I are looking at this picture and are amazed that someone let this get so bad.
Roger and I are looking at this picture and are amazed that someone let this get so bad.
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It's a 928 Dunn buggy!
#4
SeanR - thanks for the reply,
Are you referring to the radiator fans or fans that push / suck air into the intake hoses?
I can see what appear to be small fans located in the ends of the cut off hoses.
Best regards
Mark
Are you referring to the radiator fans or fans that push / suck air into the intake hoses?
I can see what appear to be small fans located in the ends of the cut off hoses.
Best regards
Mark
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This car looks as if it as modified in many ways by someone with no access to Porsche parts.
Look at the radiator, it seems to have non-stock cooling fans. Those are one unit with a factory shroud, which has long oval openings over the radiator. Not the biggest deal.
Make sure you see the car run, and check compression and look for flex plate load. Check oil and do a general pre-purchase inspection.
Work like this likely extends to the rest of the car. Inspect the computers in the passenger footwell.
Look at the radiator, it seems to have non-stock cooling fans. Those are one unit with a factory shroud, which has long oval openings over the radiator. Not the biggest deal.
Make sure you see the car run, and check compression and look for flex plate load. Check oil and do a general pre-purchase inspection.
Work like this likely extends to the rest of the car. Inspect the computers in the passenger footwell.
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Maybe it's the quality of the picture, but is there a hole in the high pressure fuel hose?
In addition to what others have said, the hood switch is missing.
Regarding the oil weight, 20w50 for sure!
Cool to see the "dessert" edition of the air intake hoses though.
In addition to what others have said, the hood switch is missing.
Regarding the oil weight, 20w50 for sure!
Cool to see the "dessert" edition of the air intake hoses though.
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H- Not quite correct- some 928's supplied to this part of the world were supplied with a device designed to swirl the air flow and knock out any dust. I doubt the things worked but they were Porsche and the dust was supposed to come out of a hole in the bottom.
However, never seen one on a GTS. indeed I have never seen one operational but I did have one in my spare parts bin that came off a wrecked 87 S4.
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Fred
However, never seen one on a GTS. indeed I have never seen one operational but I did have one in my spare parts bin that came off a wrecked 87 S4.
Regards
Fred
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Must be a 92 or a 93, it has the 'early' GTS vent hose to the filler neck.
Those are the M317 option sand separator intake tubes for M.E. cars.
The little pushpin switch that senses the hood being closed is missing.
Those are the M317 option sand separator intake tubes for M.E. cars.
The little pushpin switch that senses the hood being closed is missing.
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I think those air tubes are the special ones for dusty countries with fans in them. In addition to what has been mentioned already:
1) There seems to be an additional pusher fan in front of the aircon condensor
2) Cover over the headlight raing motor is missing
3) Jump start terminal cover missing.
These are minor compared to the fundamental basics - flex plate, compression test etc. Which leads one to wonder why such a car has been effectively abandoned ?
1) There seems to be an additional pusher fan in front of the aircon condensor
2) Cover over the headlight raing motor is missing
3) Jump start terminal cover missing.
These are minor compared to the fundamental basics - flex plate, compression test etc. Which leads one to wonder why such a car has been effectively abandoned ?
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Looks like the straps for the air box lid are missing, or folded back and out of sight at a minimum. Item #2 in the attached.
Sure enough, there's a sand separator for some models, item #14 as highlighted in the attached. Wow, learn something every day.
Sure enough, there's a sand separator for some models, item #14 as highlighted in the attached. Wow, learn something every day.
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You may want to contact other 928 owners in Bahrain - I know of at least three.
One owns a GTS so you could compare notes.
Car just looks well covered with dust which would not be unusual in that area.
Engine number is on the block at the front to the right side of the car - below the outlet for the upper radiator hose.
Apart from the fans being missing most other items are minor. As already said check compression and if it is an automatic check the flex plate.
Is it manual or automatic??
How many miles??
One owns a GTS so you could compare notes.
Car just looks well covered with dust which would not be unusual in that area.
Engine number is on the block at the front to the right side of the car - below the outlet for the upper radiator hose.
Apart from the fans being missing most other items are minor. As already said check compression and if it is an automatic check the flex plate.
Is it manual or automatic??
How many miles??
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Does it have the "Do It Yourself" manual transmission, or the superior "Fully Equipped by Porsche" Automatic Transmission? George Layton March 2014
928 Owners are ".....a secret sect of quietly assured Porsche pragmatists who in near anonymity appreciate the prodigious, easy going prowess of the 928."
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Hello everyone,
I am a prospective first time 928 purchaser and am looking for a daily driver (no garage queen) where I can also get back into some DIY maintenance.
Living in Bahrain, there isn't a plentiful supply of cars but I have found an early GTS which looks interesting.
Looking under the bonnet there appears to be a few parts missing; I am not sure how crucial these are for the car to run smoothly and so ask your assistance.
At the moment the battery is dead so I have not been able to see the car started ot take it for a test drive.
The items i think are missing are:
Is there anything else i have missed?
Also, I tried to locate an engine number but failed miserably.
Best regards
Mark
I am a prospective first time 928 purchaser and am looking for a daily driver (no garage queen) where I can also get back into some DIY maintenance.
Living in Bahrain, there isn't a plentiful supply of cars but I have found an early GTS which looks interesting.
Looking under the bonnet there appears to be a few parts missing; I am not sure how crucial these are for the car to run smoothly and so ask your assistance.
At the moment the battery is dead so I have not been able to see the car started ot take it for a test drive.
The items i think are missing are:
- Front part of air intake hoses
- Bonnet(Hood) struts
- Washer reservoir cap
Is there anything else i have missed?
Also, I tried to locate an engine number but failed miserably.
Best regards
Mark
Mark,
Is that the GTS Saddam left in Baghdad by any chance? It sure looks as though it has not had any TLC recently and the owner left in a hurry. Taking on a 928 is not for the faint hearted and that one- well it looks as though it will be a challenge but why not? Even if by any remote chance there is nothing seriously wrong with the car I would hazard a guess that you will need to spend 2000 BHD on it [thats about US5k]. But if it is anything like the superficial condition we see - you may need some very deep pockets. A new set of tyres will be 500 BHD for starters.
The main thing you need to know is that the engine has not suffered TBF [crank thrust bearing faiilure] assuming it is an auto transmission model. You need to get a mechanic who knows what he is doing to check the crankshaft end float with a dial gauge. This should be about 0.2mm [factory retirement spec is 0.4mm]. Even if the current owner can get it started that does not mean it is OK. The engine in my GTS ran but then I knew it was totalled before I purchased the car at a knock down price and then put my engine in it.
How many camels does the owner want for it? Do not be too put off by the dust -that should easily clean up and when it is sorted out it should look something like the pics I will try to attach so you have some idea of what you are looking for. The engine number should be to the front top left side of the engine [when standing in front of the front bumper line] somewhere next to the temp sender in the water bridge.
Looking at the fan situation on that thing suggests to me that some back street hack artist from Bangladesh has worked on the car. Maybe because the owner wanted more cooling or worse, needed more cooling. Either way he was not likely to get it with that crappy set up assuming it even works. When someone does something like that it is an ominous sign to me.
I presume you know for sure it is a GTS- it has the mirrors of a GTS. The early GTS's have a breather system like the S4, the motor is from my late S4 but it is configured like a later GTS [hence the blue tube in front of the inlet manifold]. My air inlet tubes are also non std as is the chromed top brace
If you do purchase this car for sure you will get a pile of help to sort it out. We do like to see these cars rescued.
Regards
Fred R
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Thank you everyone for your very helpful replies.
A little bit more info. about the car that I have been told but some of which I have not been able to verify (as of yet).
The car has been effectively, abandonned by the current owner, at a garage for the last year. Apparently an ex. Porsche mechanic has rebuilt the gearbox, replaced a number of bushes and fixed the ac. (No documentable evidence)
The chasis is definately GTS (Vin WP0ZZZ92ZNS90**** i have blanked last 4 digits because it is not my car)
I cannot confirm the engine is a GTS though. Next visit I will try and find the engine number - thanks FredR and ROG100 for help on where to find it.
Automatic gearbox
The mileage is approx 160,000 KM (not verified)
Passenger door lock is broken and there are a couple of minor bumps in the left and right side rear wheel arches.
Until the battery is replaced I will not know what else is required / wrong with the electrics.
We have lots of sand / dust in the air in Bahrain and it not uncommon for a car to look like this after a few days let alone a year. It is quite usual for cars to be washed once a day and sometimes twice!
Sounds like a trip to the offical Porsche service garage is required to determine compression check flex-plate or if it has suffered TBF.
The owner wants 3,500BD = $9,300.
Best regards
Mark
A little bit more info. about the car that I have been told but some of which I have not been able to verify (as of yet).
The car has been effectively, abandonned by the current owner, at a garage for the last year. Apparently an ex. Porsche mechanic has rebuilt the gearbox, replaced a number of bushes and fixed the ac. (No documentable evidence)
The chasis is definately GTS (Vin WP0ZZZ92ZNS90**** i have blanked last 4 digits because it is not my car)
I cannot confirm the engine is a GTS though. Next visit I will try and find the engine number - thanks FredR and ROG100 for help on where to find it.
Automatic gearbox
The mileage is approx 160,000 KM (not verified)
Passenger door lock is broken and there are a couple of minor bumps in the left and right side rear wheel arches.
Until the battery is replaced I will not know what else is required / wrong with the electrics.
We have lots of sand / dust in the air in Bahrain and it not uncommon for a car to look like this after a few days let alone a year. It is quite usual for cars to be washed once a day and sometimes twice!
Sounds like a trip to the offical Porsche service garage is required to determine compression check flex-plate or if it has suffered TBF.
The owner wants 3,500BD = $9,300.
Best regards
Mark