1982 928 Weissach
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Should be a 3 piece set of luggage.
The badge will tell you what number Weissach it is.
The badge will tell you what number Weissach it is.
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Does it have the "Do It Yourself" manual transmission, or the superior "Fully Equipped by Porsche" Automatic Transmission?
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Does it have the "Do It Yourself" manual transmission, or the superior "Fully Equipped by Porsche" Automatic Transmission?
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Cool - I had not realized that the bags had the car number on them too. So do the extra sets you have come from production cars and therefore have a number, or are they unnumbered Roger. Just curious...
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you couldn't be more wrong. You look for dogs at good prices, tweak them to drivable and enjoy them that way. You are not part of the collector set. Those that are look for particular things, and that drives the interest and value. I see this all the time, especially with other marques where values have taken off. For instance, I have seen what you would describe as run in the mill mustangs, but because of certain color and feature combinations, command a premium from the collector set.
Make no mistake, eventauly, the 928 will appreciate. God only knows when. But when it does, like the 356 and the 911, these special editions will be worth a premium. Collectors will enjoy them, and you'll still have fun with what you drive, life will go on.
Make no mistake, eventauly, the 928 will appreciate. God only knows when. But when it does, like the 356 and the 911, these special editions will be worth a premium. Collectors will enjoy them, and you'll still have fun with what you drive, life will go on.
The value of a thread like this isn't that one opinion is right or wrong, its to help the original poster clarify their own opinions and decide what is and isn't of value to them, and to point out any factual issues, like is this actually a Weissach, and what is different about a Weissach from a standard model.
I think you mistake attrition for appreciation. When you start with a 1000 of something, the rust monster eats 900, and the remaining 100 go up in value, that is attrition, 90% of the owners saw their investment go down the toilet. Indeed eventually I think the owners of the remaining 928's will see them go up in value, but only at the expense of many if not most owners losing their cars with little if any recovery.
Collectible Mustangs are almost entirely a restoration market, and collectible 928's are almost entirely unrestored originals with a very different criteria on what is and isn't collectible. If I made a serious offer of say $30k for the nicest most original low mileage Weissach, don't you suspect we would be talking about a completely different class of car than the present one? Why would a collector consider anything less for a space in their showcase?
The Weissach deserves a greater amount of counterpoint due to the claims frequently made by sellers exaggerating how special it is. Its not mechanically different from any other 1982, it wasn't made for Le Mans, the limited production is much higher than 206, and with several for sale every year they can't really be considered rare or hard to find.
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How many makes a car rare - 200 in the World is a small number in my book. To each his own - you are right on that score.
The crest with number does not appear on the luggage just the crest. The Weissach crest is part of a package you receive with the car along with a signed document telling you the number of the production run. It was the owners choice where the crest was positioned - on the dash, on the ash tray or on a seperate wall mounted plaque.
The crest with number does not appear on the luggage just the crest. The Weissach crest is part of a package you receive with the car along with a signed document telling you the number of the production run. It was the owners choice where the crest was positioned - on the dash, on the ash tray or on a seperate wall mounted plaque.
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Good that it has the badge, though I have heard that some do not - it is likely because of what Roger said on how it is received initially.
Also glad you looked more carefully at the paint. I do not know if it is "factory" to have that overspray - I doubt it, but Carlos has been known to be quite wrong![Smilie](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
A few reference interior pictures I collected. Don't know whose car it is. Do a search here for "Weissach", and you should find more pictures.
Also glad you looked more carefully at the paint. I do not know if it is "factory" to have that overspray - I doubt it, but Carlos has been known to be quite wrong
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A few reference interior pictures I collected. Don't know whose car it is. Do a search here for "Weissach", and you should find more pictures.
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First I would like to thank you guys for the comments. Jerry I am not sure about the wheel well thing the body looked really straight. Although Carlos comment about the repaint makes me wonder. When I looked under the car there was a good 12" of gold over spray on the undercarriage. The owner said this was common from the factory? The luggage is included although I think I read there is supposed to be 3 pieces and there is only 2. Also there is a badge in the center of the dash, it is not visible in the photos. I don't know why but I didn't really pay attention to it so I don't know what it says.
So far, everything we seem to know about this car is that it is actually not worth any more, in my opinion, than any other 82 928. For the asking money, I am sure the seller is not going to be realistic about this car so I would give it a wide berth. Pass it up.
As to the wheel well issue, I have been into this before on this forum. What happens is that when the car is rear ended it pushes in the back of the car and maybe even bends the frame in the area just behind the rear X-member. However, it also tends to cause the rear fenders to simply "pooch" out a little. This does not cause wrinkles in the outer body, but it does bulge the fenders and that shows up in the wheel arches which are then pushed out a little. They still look nice and smooth, but they are bent.
You would not see anything in an original factor finish even inside the wheel wells that looks like overspary. Overspray only comes from respray and even then only when the job is done poorly. With overspray in the rear wheel wells of this car I am going to suggest that the rear end collision is more lilely than perhaps the "rolling" of the wheel arches, as previously suggested.
PASS THIS CAR UP.
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True, we picked up our Weissach brand new at Koeppel Porsche-Audi (now a nissan dealer I think) on Northern Blvd in Queens NY back in spring of 1982, believe it or not it was #205, the last of the alleged 205 produced. We had the car for about four months before we got the package with the crest, luggage, two or three 8.5x11 photos and the certificate. We took the car back to the dealer to have the plaque mounted, on ours it was dead center just above the center AC vents, which IMO looked awful. I still remember the smell of the leather to this day.
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This was no ordinary 82 928. The full leather two tone interior, front and rear spoilers (first on a standard US 928), special wheels, Bamberg QTS stereo system (first digital read out radio), Seeger Leather full set of matching leather luggage.
The Weissach package alone was $6000 and at that time that would buy a new car. Price tag on mine was $47k
A Weissach or Jubilee will always fetch a premium over a stock car of similar age and condition as long as they are both original.
The Weissach package alone was $6000 and at that time that would buy a new car. Price tag on mine was $47k
A Weissach or Jubilee will always fetch a premium over a stock car of similar age and condition as long as they are both original.
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abolfaz,
To pick up a new 928 from the dealer is an experiance I will never have - you are a lucky person.
Thanks for shareing.
Roger
To pick up a new 928 from the dealer is an experiance I will never have - you are a lucky person.
Thanks for shareing.
Roger
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Good that it has the badge, though I have heard that some do not - it is likely because of what Roger said on how it is received initially.
Also glad you looked more carefully at the paint. I do not know if it is "factory" to have that overspray - I doubt it, but Carlos has been known to be quite wrong![Smilie](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
A few reference interior pictures I collected. Don't know whose car it is. Do a search here for "Weissach", and you should find more pictures.
Also glad you looked more carefully at the paint. I do not know if it is "factory" to have that overspray - I doubt it, but Carlos has been known to be quite wrong
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A few reference interior pictures I collected. Don't know whose car it is. Do a search here for "Weissach", and you should find more pictures.
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Jim thinks Weissachs are cool!
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Not true, I avoid dogs like the plague, none of my 928's is drivable, ....
I think you mistake attrition for appreciation. When you start with a 1000 of something, the rust monster eats 900, and the remaining 100 go up in value, that is attrition, 90% of the owners saw their investment go down the toilet. Indeed eventually I think the owners of the remaining 928's will see them go up in value, but only at the expense of many if not most owners losing their cars with little if any recovery...
I think you mistake attrition for appreciation. When you start with a 1000 of something, the rust monster eats 900, and the remaining 100 go up in value, that is attrition, 90% of the owners saw their investment go down the toilet. Indeed eventually I think the owners of the remaining 928's will see them go up in value, but only at the expense of many if not most owners losing their cars with little if any recovery...
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hard to discern what your point is. You also contradict yourself. Your first post said Weissachs will never be worth much, then you backtrack on that here. You say you don't buy dogs, but none of your cars are drivable?
It doesn't matter how a car becomes rare - whether attrition, as you say, or appreciation. The end result is the same.
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We took the car home that afternoon with the windows and the sunroof open, pulled up to the house and just then it started to rain. I hit the sunroof switch and nothing, hit the switch again and nothing. A quick look in the glove box revealed a small handle in a clear plastic bag which we quickly figured would manually close the roof. Not the best feeling in the world for the first trip in a new $50k car! It turned out that the switch was bad which caused the fuse to blow, believe it or not we replaced the switch and fuse several more times till we decided to stop using the sunroof altogether.
A couple of weeks after we purchased it, the car left us stranded several times due to some sort of alarm malady. You'd parkt the car and shut it off, come back and no matter what you did the car wouldn't turn over. The first time this happened we left the car parked in the fire lane in front of a carvel ice cream store in Smithtown NY, waited several hours for a ride, went home and then came back to meet the tow truck. On a lark we decided to try starting it again and viola, it fired right up. This was another issue the dealer never resolved.
The worst part of the first month of ownership wasn't the electrical gremlins but the fact that after being sold on the cars exclusivity, the rare interior and exterior colors and the fact that there were only 205 in the world, one of our neighbors about six blocks away showed up with the exact same car, rub strips and all!
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