Podguy

The seats you have pictured are not the right ones for the car. They are 78-84 seats - which in my opinion are nicer and more comfortable than the later seats.

Podguy

Obviously $50K is a ridiclously high price. But then some of the American iron that goes for ridiclous prices so things are relative.

First I do not think you can compare this car to a low mileage car. You can pay a lot for a low mileage car - they do not seem to sell very quickly. There have been some nice GTS cars available that just sit on the market. Age takes its toll. If you pay up for an older low mileage car with up to date maintenance you will not end up with a relaible car. The maintenance will kill you as you cross each mileage problem area.

With a car that has been properly restored (Rob tells me RestoreMod) The restorer takes into account the deficits of the model and makes modifications to make the car more reliable. In the extreme when the Pawn Stars restored a 57 Chevy for the dad they put in a new motor and updated the supesnsion and brakes. The result is a car that looks like a 57 Chevy that is reliable as a daily driver.

In the case of the 928 such extreme modifications are probably excessive since the engine is one of the most reliable parts of the car. Although there are some who put Chevy engines in a 928. But I digress - the point of a restoration in part from my point of view as a driver is to improve those common failure points that make the car better than new. This can include using better interior materials - the interior finish of the 928 was no where close of that of the Mercedes.

The same goes for the paint. The burgundy on the car in question had clear coat problems as did most german cars of that era. To get a good job all the paint must be stripped. The new paint systems are better and will last far longer than the original. Original paint is prized but this is fallacy.

There are a lot of mechanical things that can be done to - starting with the windshield washer, new barrier hose on the AC, changing to 3rd party seals and bearings and even improved electrics such as a delco alternator in the older cars.

Of course it is impossible to repalce everything, but there are enough substitutions that keep the car original looking while improving on minor and important things. Cross drilled rotors and better than factory pads. This even goes to fluids - such as synethic oil.

If you add all this together - and I am assuming things are done right - a comparison to even a zero mileage car is not fair. The restored car is worth more.

Ok what would I pay for such a car. Well one has to take first into account what a good condition model year is selling for. With and 86 that is between 5 and 10K. The add in what it takes to get the car to top condition. Paint at 5 to 10K and then mechanical. Then you have to consider what you can get in equivlant for a new car. You can get a pretty nice new perfomance car for $50K

Remember you are not getting a full complement of air bags, good gas mileage and other features you could get in a full blown Prius. Don't laugh - the Prius is a state of the art car with solar cooling, lane control, adapted cruise control, GPS and a few other goodies. Remember also the 928 was a gadget car in its day with thinks like air conditioned glove box to keep your film cool.

Balance the value of the car against what you can buy new or near new would put me around $20K. That puts the 928 in the restored 65 Mustang range.

Well some might not agree but that is my take on the car.

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I did not post those seats by chance. I know they are early seats. Those style seats in that exact leather, cork by Champagne, are the best looking seats I have seen and have wanted to put into a restoration of my car. (btw my euro current full leather interior is way better than a mercedes from the 90's or before, I owned one and know from personal experience)


so these seats in a black interior, black wilton wool, black suede headliner

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with my current 928 steering wheel in half leather and half carbon fiber with shaping done by these guys ( I have spoken with them and know the details);

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and these wheels in size 18"


Re: wheels
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Originally Posted by The racerx
Hi Brian,

Can you tell me what the pricing of these wheels would be;


Rennen M9 Monolicht – as shown on the Audi R8

in the following sizes;

porsche 5 X 130 bolt pattern

18"x8.5" ET70 front and 18"x10 ET47 rear


Sale price and normal price



Thank you


Tom
Hey Tom,

Thanks for your interest in our group buy. The price for the set you have requested would be $XXXX + Shipping and Tax, if applicable. The requested finish for two tone is an additional $125/wheel



Please let me know if you have any questions and we be glad to help.

EspritS4s

My guess is that an offer in the range you gave is reasonable. If he's asking more, then I expect he will be waiting awhile. He will have to find someone who wants exactly that model and color combination and wants it now. I doubt that the car will be attractive to a buyer/collector who is looking for a low mileage and mint condition example regardless of the color. The miles are low, but not really low. I agree with others' opinion on the seats.

Also, to your previous post on selling a car like this, he hasn't done a very good job with this Ebay auction. Not nearly enough pictures or detail on the car and its history. It won't sell on Ebay if the reserve is really as high as you speculate. The question is if the Ebay auction will generate enough interest in a serious buyer to check out the car and come to a deal outside of Ebay. I do think that major restorations like this are harder to value than original condition examples. It's hard to know how a particular buyer will value the restoration choices and upgrades. Find the right buyer, and who knows what it could go for.

As for the white '87 that you posted, that seems to be an example of an increasingly common trend on Ebay where dealers are taking glamour shots of cars and asking really high prices. I think that the dealer is asking almost 2X what this car is likely to get.

SteveG

What kills me is that thru all the discussion here, all the talk is about paint, wheels and interior.
Now, the seller says he has a pile of receipts from 928 Int'l, etc. re the mechanicals, and I take him at his word; I guess I'm saying, if I was to venture a guess as to value, (and whether the seller is out of his mind or just off the track by investing this much), I need more info on the mechanicals and electrical. When Chuck Z describes a car, he DESCRIBES everything. I'm not saying the other work isn't up to the cosmetic restoration.

James Bailey

Can not help but think of Spaceballs the movie...... " Merchandising, merchandising, where the real money from the movie is made. "

You are not selling what the car IS but only what it is perceived to be.....

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Is this an original factory piece of carpet? sounds like it from what Rob is saying. My 85 euro has something that is really different, especially the underside, mine is black dimpled pattern very tough, very thick fibrous natural material. No rib pattern at all.

Chuck Z

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but I think the mat Rob shows started with 1990 or 91 928s. Previously, they had what you describe with a loose foam pad underneath the mat.

James Bailey

Correct the improved foam was introduced in 1990 as I recall in an attempt to lower cabin noise along with the rear inner fender liners. I have a picture in my mind of some senior Porsche Executive driving in one day and telling the Engineers that this thing is noisier than my wife's Mercedes station wagon .......FIX IT !

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Offered by Rob Budd's Classic 9 Leather shop, described here and here it is

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So I was watching a youtube video yesterday and saw the 2 colors of leather I want in my car (someday) and they looked really good together. They also gave the idea of a 2 tone 928 early style leather seat.

These 928 seat's done like the Bentley's with black leather for the bolsters, (thigh, back, and head) and the dark tan catchers mitt color for the inserts in an all black interior

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if anyone wants to watch the video , it is funny (the situation) and interesting (the look and sound of the car) and the comments were pretty good too. As you can see above, a well done 928 would be a better ride than even this nice Bentley.

can't hide a youtube video as a link so here