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06-15-2011, 10:27 PM
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But like I told him in a PM, the mechanic should have told the prospective buyer that this was a very common thing and would not affect a thing.
I have no way of knowing if he did or not, do you? Does Mike?
A PPI is paid for by the prospective buyer in most cases, and that is the only one that the mechanic needs to be working for at that point IMHO.
If that indeed did loose the sale, then the mechanic did not explain correctly or there were other reasons that the sale did not happen.
06-15-2011, 10:28 PM
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I don't think it odd for a lawyer to mention legal responsiblities. I agree that a lawsuit would be extreme, but he's not going to sue.
06-15-2011, 10:30 PM
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I just had a reporter call me a liar in print, for a local advisory committee that I am chair of. Revised my outlook of lawyers completely
P.S. The only straight rails I've seen lately are on our '88 S4. Bought new, serviced by the dealer and a knowledgeable independent (well, knowledgeable out lifting 928's at least), and now me. It's hopeless, they are just too tempting...
06-15-2011, 10:32 PM
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Calling any part the wrong name is using the wrong nomenclature, pretty simple from my view.
But like I told him in a PM, the mechanic should have told the prospective buyer that this was a very common thing and would not affect a thing.
I have no way of knowing if he did or not, do you? Does Mike?
A PPI is paid for by the prospective buyer in most cases, and that is the only one that the mechanic needs to be working for at that point IMHO.
If that indeed did loose the sale, then the mechanic did not explain correctly or there were other reasons that the sale did not happen.
But like I told him in a PM, the mechanic should have told the prospective buyer that this was a very common thing and would not affect a thing.
I have no way of knowing if he did or not, do you? Does Mike?
A PPI is paid for by the prospective buyer in most cases, and that is the only one that the mechanic needs to be working for at that point IMHO.
If that indeed did loose the sale, then the mechanic did not explain correctly or there were other reasons that the sale did not happen.
06-15-2011, 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by robot808;8640587[COLOR="Red"
]Can you refuse service based on [/COLOR]occupation? That sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen.
I don't think it odd for a lawyer to mention legal responsiblities. I agree that a lawsuit would be extreme, but he's not going to sue.
I don't think it odd for a lawyer to mention legal responsiblities. I agree that a lawsuit would be extreme, but he's not going to sue.
To answer your question, I have turned many people down for many reasons, if I do not like their attitude, you can bet I wont work on their car, just turned a guy down last week because his son gets involved in it every time, just not worth the trouble.
06-15-2011, 10:50 PM
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Its unibody.
They are frame rails, regardless of what has been said. Their condition is indicative, though not definitive, of the level of care the car received. They reinforce the rather critical area where the seats mount, which in an accident recieves a tremendous moment of force.
I've got three cars here with perfect or near perfect rails, so its not a given that they are crushed.
How about some pictures.
They are frame rails, regardless of what has been said. Their condition is indicative, though not definitive, of the level of care the car received. They reinforce the rather critical area where the seats mount, which in an accident recieves a tremendous moment of force.
I've got three cars here with perfect or near perfect rails, so its not a given that they are crushed.
How about some pictures.
06-15-2011, 10:50 PM
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Fair enough, the reason I told you in my PM that I have friends that are lawyers was so you would know that I have nothing against the profession.
If you had included what you just said, the that would have changed my outlook on things.
Again, pretty simple in my view point.
I also am pretty quick to admit if I am wrong, and if the mechanic had a personal vendetta against you, then by all means you have a beef with him.
EDIT: not sure where you get that I do not like the legal system.
If you had included what you just said, the that would have changed my outlook on things.
Again, pretty simple in my view point.
I also am pretty quick to admit if I am wrong, and if the mechanic had a personal vendetta against you, then by all means you have a beef with him.
EDIT: not sure where you get that I do not like the legal system.
I received an email from the prospective buyer after he got word from Roger on the PPI. And I quote: "Bent framerails? I was not expecting that. I can talk later but that is a tough one." i.e. this potential sale is now dead in the water thanks to the misinformed mechanic telling him the "frame" is bent. Roger did nothing to assuage the damage that flatly wrong verbiage could and did cause.
Greg, I could give a rats **** whether you respect me, or attorneys in general. You have plenty of strong opinions and are entitled to them. FWIW, you also don't have all of the facts here, so your judgment is at least in part misplaced. There's a possibility that Roger harbors some personal resentment toward me, for reasons I won't go into because it's pure speculation. Ultimately, though, a mechanic (or any other professoinal) performing a service owes their client the best service they can provide. Anything less is negligent, and might even be intentional depending on the situation. I'm sorry you don't like the legal system, but it is there, among countless other reasons, to protect people from being taken advantage of by crooked service providers. And I called them seat rails because that was the description used by all of the other prior threads I found on this subject. Search "bent frame" and you can see for yourself.
Bob, you're generous with your estimation of my abilities. I do the best I can, but hey, my job is not to win, but see that justice is done. This was not justice.
Greg, I could give a rats **** whether you respect me, or attorneys in general. You have plenty of strong opinions and are entitled to them. FWIW, you also don't have all of the facts here, so your judgment is at least in part misplaced. There's a possibility that Roger harbors some personal resentment toward me, for reasons I won't go into because it's pure speculation. Ultimately, though, a mechanic (or any other professoinal) performing a service owes their client the best service they can provide. Anything less is negligent, and might even be intentional depending on the situation. I'm sorry you don't like the legal system, but it is there, among countless other reasons, to protect people from being taken advantage of by crooked service providers. And I called them seat rails because that was the description used by all of the other prior threads I found on this subject. Search "bent frame" and you can see for yourself.
Bob, you're generous with your estimation of my abilities. I do the best I can, but hey, my job is not to win, but see that justice is done. This was not justice.
06-15-2011, 11:06 PM
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This thread has taught me one new fact.
PPI's cause frame damage.
My 81 had a perfect underside during my ownership. After seeing every other 928 dented in I purposely caused a few dents in mine so it wouldn't look any different. I assumed my car had been wrecked and the body shop did a ****-poor job repairing it causing my rails not to be dented.
Now you are telling me they are not supposed to be crushed in like that?
Crap......
PPI's cause frame damage.
My 81 had a perfect underside during my ownership. After seeing every other 928 dented in I purposely caused a few dents in mine so it wouldn't look any different. I assumed my car had been wrecked and the body shop did a ****-poor job repairing it causing my rails not to be dented.
Now you are telling me they are not supposed to be crushed in like that?
Crap......
06-15-2011, 11:15 PM
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Those are pretty bad.
Based on my research here, you are alone in your opinion, or certainly in a small minority. Are you a unibody frame expert? I certainly am not. But I go based on what people I respect tell me. Would a perfect rail be nice? Sure. Crucial? Unless it's a concours car, no (to me).
I've never heard this "critical area" discussion before, so please elaborate. It makes sense that a part of the car directly tied to the security of the seats would be important. But I'm not certain these are so directly tied, again based on my research here.
First one is passenger side, second is driver's side.
I've never heard this "critical area" discussion before, so please elaborate. It makes sense that a part of the car directly tied to the security of the seats would be important. But I'm not certain these are so directly tied, again based on my research here.
First one is passenger side, second is driver's side.
06-15-2011, 11:27 PM
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One thing I have learned from my Yankee Lawyer is you can get all the Justice you can afford.
If you are telling me that the thought of suing did not enter your mind, then I stand corrected.
Is that what you are saying?
If you are telling me that the thought of suing did not enter your mind, then I stand corrected.
Is that what you are saying?
You said you lost all respect when I "threatened to sue" (which I did not; I merely suggested that under certain circumstances that could be a possibility; if those circumstances presented themselves, then yes, I would absolutely consider it if it were worth my while (such as, say, if I were selling a $1m exotic, had a signed PPI-contingent contract, and got this kind of BS PPI)). Wronged individuals have a right to have their grievances heard, win or lose. I clerked for a trial judge and saw more than my fair share of frivolous suits (both frivolously filed, and frivolously defended). But we dealt with those with celerity so as to not waste the non-frivolous party's time. We also saw legion meritorious suits that often presented thorny and difficult questions of the intersection of fairness and the law. Even today I deal with cases like that working for DOJ. Again, my job is not to win, but to see that justice is done. I might be beating a dead horse at this point, but I'm trying to be clear.