2 928 GTS for sale with very low start price in Japan
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Am I missing something ?
What's the difference between a US delivered 95 and a LHD 95 delivered anywhere else in the world ?
I know Japanese delivered S4+ have additional temp sensors after the cats but they are a safety measure - not emissions related, and the funky wheel arches but they could be removed - what else is different ?
What's the difference between a US delivered 95 and a LHD 95 delivered anywhere else in the world ?
I know Japanese delivered S4+ have additional temp sensors after the cats but they are a safety measure - not emissions related, and the funky wheel arches but they could be removed - what else is different ?
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Malcolm, you are right, Canada with all 30 million of your folks and 9 month long winters are really not clamoring for old 928 GTS's at ANY price... If an enthusiast in Canada were looking for one either of these *MIGHT* be a good choice...or might not. Again, used cars folks...buyer beware and as future says, you BETTER get someone who REALLY KNOWS 928's to look at it before you send any $$$$$ then you better ship it single car enclosed container...and even then be ready to fix some dents and scratches.
there more folks in California than here but we dont have Arnie
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Am I missing something ?
What's the difference between a US delivered 95 and a LHD 95 delivered anywhere else in the world ?
I know Japanese delivered S4+ have additional temp sensors after the cats but they are a safety measure - not emissions related, and the funky wheel arches but they could be removed - what else is different ?
What's the difference between a US delivered 95 and a LHD 95 delivered anywhere else in the world ?
I know Japanese delivered S4+ have additional temp sensors after the cats but they are a safety measure - not emissions related, and the funky wheel arches but they could be removed - what else is different ?
The LHD cars are very similar with very few differences. Its the laws on the south side that make matters quite difficult although there is a grey market. Im not up on the state by state regs but there is a diff between Cali and others...theres more restriction.
We can also import ther RHD cars here. The biggest issue in the digi readouts in Japanese and the pedals being opposite.
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Nicole,
Maybe it wouldn't be any more difficult, but I always here people talking about how crazy the CARB rules and importing cars to CA are... But I have never tried it. Only TX... I was thinking that the EPA requirements are hard enough for a used car with new cats to meet, if CARB is even harder than regular EPA then you would be VERY hard pressed to get a used car to meet the standards.
Remember when importing a car (no matter how old) they take the year of the car and then look up what the emissions requirements for a BRAND NEW CAR were that year and YOUR OLD CAR has to be made to meet those!!
Jon,
Not a huge amount of differences but enough to cost you $15k when it is all said and done. Every light on the car has to be changed, side markers and rear bumperetts added, the support structures behind the bumpers changed, various EPA bit will need to be NEW (like $3000 cats and no aftermarket ones are not efficient enough to pass the EPA test standards!)
Lets see...hmmm, the EPA test alone is pushing $3000 and if you fail, it will cost you that same amount for the retake! Oh, probably need a full set of new DOT tires and you might need DOT glass (though my EURO car was fine on the glass front)... Add up all those prices and realize that the RI is going to call the local Porsche dealer with a nice long list and they are going to be full retail price new parts!!
Maybe it wouldn't be any more difficult, but I always here people talking about how crazy the CARB rules and importing cars to CA are... But I have never tried it. Only TX... I was thinking that the EPA requirements are hard enough for a used car with new cats to meet, if CARB is even harder than regular EPA then you would be VERY hard pressed to get a used car to meet the standards.
Remember when importing a car (no matter how old) they take the year of the car and then look up what the emissions requirements for a BRAND NEW CAR were that year and YOUR OLD CAR has to be made to meet those!!
Jon,
Not a huge amount of differences but enough to cost you $15k when it is all said and done. Every light on the car has to be changed, side markers and rear bumperetts added, the support structures behind the bumpers changed, various EPA bit will need to be NEW (like $3000 cats and no aftermarket ones are not efficient enough to pass the EPA test standards!)
Lets see...hmmm, the EPA test alone is pushing $3000 and if you fail, it will cost you that same amount for the retake! Oh, probably need a full set of new DOT tires and you might need DOT glass (though my EURO car was fine on the glass front)... Add up all those prices and realize that the RI is going to call the local Porsche dealer with a nice long list and they are going to be full retail price new parts!!
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Federalizing is federalizing. The 928 was available as one model for 50 States. I once registered a 91 GT that had been delivered in Germany and then lived on the East Coast. They just wanted to see the sticker under the hood and checked that all the equipment is present. No further questions or complications. I'm sure it would not be much different, if I'd try to register your 92 GTS, unless you removed emissions equipment.
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I have justed logged back into the auction to check the sales status ... the blue GTS sold for it's start price at 550,000 Yen ($6,735.87 USD) and the grean one did not sell - somebody got one hell of a deal
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Well, not if the car had Thrust Bearing Failure...then it was not much of a deal at all. But again, that is why you must have a competent mechanic check these cars out carefully before purchase. But pretty much anything shy of TBF would put this car in the VERY GOOD DEAL category...great deal if you don't have to ship it somewhere!
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There were at least one difference between early S4. California cars had slightly different position for one vacuum line under intake. If California are really up to their job they should ask this to be changed in out of state '87-88 S4. Later MY US models were all same 50 state version. Basically California model become 50 state version.
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$6,700 US is about $6,000 Australian dollars these days. Couldn't import them into Oz as road-going cars, but could cut-em each in half, stick em in a container and import them for parts. Each engine would sell for $5,000....
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I bought my '91 S4 in Japan. In the Netherlands we don't have any problems importing cars from Japan. As the ROW cars are identical to the cars sold here originally legislation inspections are not necessary.
My car is from one of the official national auctions (Kobe). Bidding prices are not even close to what cars actually sell for. Something like 2 times, at least. I've been watching auctions for quite some time before puchase and had somebody help me translate auction sheets. Compared to prices in the Netherlands you could buy al low mile example (mine had 25k) for the price of high mileage 150+k locally.
Reed the auction sheets carefully. In my case it was very reliable and detailed. Have seen many auction sheets with major problems. Not all cars are sold through reliable auctions, so be carefull.
When things seem to good to be true, they usually are (even in Japan).
My car is from one of the official national auctions (Kobe). Bidding prices are not even close to what cars actually sell for. Something like 2 times, at least. I've been watching auctions for quite some time before puchase and had somebody help me translate auction sheets. Compared to prices in the Netherlands you could buy al low mile example (mine had 25k) for the price of high mileage 150+k locally.
Reed the auction sheets carefully. In my case it was very reliable and detailed. Have seen many auction sheets with major problems. Not all cars are sold through reliable auctions, so be carefull.
When things seem to good to be true, they usually are (even in Japan).
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$6,700 US is about $6,000 Australian dollars these days. Couldn't import them into Oz as road-going cars, but could cut-em each in half, stick em in a container and import them
Gijsbert ... That is very true - I normally find that it is the interiors that seam to in a lot of cases be tatty ... hell knows what the Jap's get up to inside there cars
I just found this recently Jap imported 91 GTS example on UK ebay: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/INCREDIBLE-199...item3a6579b23f
Top end prices in the UK for a late 96 with below 50k miles tend to go for around £20-25k Sterling ... why so much more in the US?
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Here's some info on importing.
http://foreignborn.com/visas_imm/ent...ingyourcar.htm
And the list mentioned in the above article for Nonconforming vehicles eligible for importation
http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/rules/import/elig092210.pdf
All 928's are listed. Not sure if by the time GTS production occured, if there were "Major" differences in ROW vs US?? J
James could probably answer that one based on what they did to his 92.
http://foreignborn.com/visas_imm/ent...ingyourcar.htm
And the list mentioned in the above article for Nonconforming vehicles eligible for importation
http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/rules/import/elig092210.pdf
All 928's are listed. Not sure if by the time GTS production occured, if there were "Major" differences in ROW vs US?? J
James could probably answer that one based on what they did to his 92.