DougM

Have a list of cars I am looking at and the Euro cars 84-up are the only ones that I am looking at that I cannot get a sense of value on. Any real world transactions out there. I am also looking at s4 and Gt models but am more familiar with them and prices. Just weighing my options.

blown 87

Like any 928, depends on the car, and it's history.

GlenL

It's a 16V car with LH injection. A bit lighter than US models with more power than a US '85 and less than an S4. I think the market values it accordingly as better than an '85 US and near an S4. It'll have performance on par with a GT but "S" styling.

Condition, mileage and records are the bigger factors in value.

IcemanG17

so many variables...but condition and maintenance records are king....also check your local smog laws to make sure you can get it to pass smog testing too!!!

Since most well running LH euros tend to dyno equal to S4's with less weight...they should drive very well

pcar928fan

All of my cars are auto's and not 5spd cars, so YMMV. My EURO85 is right between my US84 and '88 S4 performance-wise. At least by way of my A$$-O-Meter anyway... Value (or cost or resale value, or whatever you want to call it) when in the same condition as the 84 and 88 will be right between them but much closer to the '84 than the '88 but with performance closer to the '88 I think.

Mine is very nice now with a spectacular interior. If you are reasonably mechanical you would have been able to get in to my EURO85 and have it as a very nice DD for $6k shipped to your door. As I am not able to do my own work I am about $1k higher than that and if I had not had to ship it I would be $1k better as that is what it cost to get it to me. I have owned it about a year and got it for $3600 because it was in CA and didn't have ANY HOPE of passing emissions testing there.

Jadz928

Last year, I seriously considered buying an '85 EuroS, 5sp, LSD, Champagne interior, original paint, impeccably kept.
Was asking $15K, which was a little rich for my blood... but I knew it was worth it. It needed nothing.
Sold for $13K.

I would call that the high water mark.

Do a search, you'll find it's thread, from about a year ago.
Dark Blue w/blue and tan Champangne interior.

Mrmerlin

I had an 84 Euro Auto,
I sold it for 7800.00
I went through though, so it was well sorted, ran very strong, and it was a fun fast car

ralphr1780

White is always very classy! I really like the wheels combo (Turbo Cup?), do you remember the sizes that you had fitted?
Ralph

tv

Here is where logic in the 928 world goes right out the window-- Euro talk

Hey James, will you sell 1 of the GTS's for 6K?


Numbers - 627 total 84-86 euro's imported 406 92-95 GTS imported assuming the near 50% termination rate for euro's (very believable since they were the grey market under-appreciated odballs for many years - see the how many on road thread) you can guesstimate 325 running vs. 375 GTS (much better survival rate)


Power to weight slightly better for the Euro

Most euro's had full leather interior

Less complicated engine and better sound from the 16V set-up

More reliable brains on the euro ??

ability to control AFR on open loop euro

Same engine compression and gear ratio's w/o the oil consumption

More aggressive cams on euro + tranny oil cooler, H4's, rear fog

better brakes on GTS (upgradeable on Euro)



Objectively, it is tough to make the case that the GTS is better, let alone an S4. I think it is more a subjective image thing based on so many euro's being neglected pigs vs. the typical pampered GTS garage paper weight. If you can find a low mile, well cared for 84-86 euro (86>85>84) get it. Because IMO it is the best 928 there is and they (ALL 928's) are very good.

A good euro is extremely quick based on real road experience mine is doing 0-60 in 5.3.

Mrmerlin

Ralph the wheels were aftermarket copies
IIRC they were 7.5 X 17 and 9 X 17

DougM

I guess at this point it doesn't matter because I just sent a deposit on one and will pick it up next week or maybe this weekend. Will start another thread with details.

danglerb

I've seen very nice cars sell between $5k and $8k, and definitely NOT nice cars sell in the same range or a little more.

The big caveat with a Euro, in my experience anyway is that many suffer from a lifetime of cheap owners. Many were purchased off used car lots in Germany that catered to returning GI's hoping to flip a car for a profit. This makes a NICE Euro very hard to find, and pushed down the whole market for them. Many were federalized with goofy one of a kind smog fixes, and some sort of flaky running issue is a common reason they are sold.

CIS Euro S models have the early weak syncro transmission, and everything associated with CI$ like poor mpg.

84 to 86 LH cars are not in practical terms all that different from the US 85/86 models.

Cache of being "Euro" has to be weighed against true mileage unknown from the speedo swap, registration issues, Euro stuff that never works like headlight adjusters.

OTOH its no accident that I own an 85 Euro S 5 spd. It's my second favorite model next to a GT, and the only one of the two I can afford.

tv

But they are. The engines are of very different character which is why the S4 engine was developed. The 85/86 US was not near as good according to Herr Hensler. Read the piece I have posted here many times. A good euro engine is something special.

As to price, I would not trade mine for any other 928 in existence nor any other ride.

Vilhuer

'86 MY should have higher value due to S4 suspension and brakes. '85 5sp should have higher value due to better gearbox than old style box in '84. Within '84 MY early and late MY cars can have small hp difference even though papers do not show it due to early '84 MY engines still using CIS models lower CR pistons. But that last difference isn't well known and at best it only means few hp difference so all other details like general condition and what it means in terms of value is much more important. I would look for preferably '86 or at least '85 MY 5sp simply for better gearbox.

pcar928fan

GTS = garage paperweight?! Not in my garage! LOL!

The garage paperweight for me is BLUE82!!!

And here is EURO85 as well...just to keep things on topic and interesting! LOL!