Vote for Me - 928 Owner's Club President (longish)
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Yep... renewals is another thing that needs to be address. ALthough that has traditionally been handled by the membership chair (recently taken over by Dave K.) the President should be keeping tabs.
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Who else is running? I'd like to hear from them too...
I am a charter member and have been asked and have paid my dues regularly. Currently the regional go to guy for Central TX and we are back up and running for the year and change I have been on the point here.
It would be nice to see Phil Tong's old website at the forefront again and maybe getting some updates and such...
I am a charter member and have been asked and have paid my dues regularly. Currently the regional go to guy for Central TX and we are back up and running for the year and change I have been on the point here.
It would be nice to see Phil Tong's old website at the forefront again and maybe getting some updates and such...
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+2 I'd like to see more of the technical info that is here in the care of the OC as to benefit all future 928 owners long after Internet Brands disappears.I think the 928OC should be the first place people interested in 928's should go to for help and info,not Rennlist.Nothing against Rennlist or IB, I'm just saying. Ed
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Who else is running? I'd like to hear from them too...
I am a charter member and have been asked and have paid my dues regularly. Currently the regional go to guy for Central TX and we are back up and running for the year and change I have been on the point here.
It would be nice to see Phil Tong's old website at the forefront again and maybe getting some updates and such...
I am a charter member and have been asked and have paid my dues regularly. Currently the regional go to guy for Central TX and we are back up and running for the year and change I have been on the point here.
It would be nice to see Phil Tong's old website at the forefront again and maybe getting some updates and such...
Wow... I haven't thought about that site for a long time.
+2 I'd like to see more of the technical info that is here in the care of the OC as to benefit all future 928 owners long after Internet Brands disappears.I think the 928OC should be the first place people interested in 928's should go to for help and info,not Rennlist.Nothing against Rennlist or IB, I'm just saying. Ed
If you read my statement on the OC website, one of the things I'd like to do is sponsor more driving/enjoyment events. Perhaps a track day, or AutoX, or maybe just a fun run or a concour d'elegance. A lot depends on funding, and I don't know what the annual budget/expense rate is of the OC (another reason for better transperancy). But if possible, I'd like to see more of these activities as well.
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I have been on the fence about joining 928OC for the exact reason that you are campaigning on Andrew...what am I getting for my money??
The dues may not be that much to some (next to nothing to many I am sure), but I have a family to support and a budget to live by, and because of that my money must have a return of some kind. I have looked at the OC website and, as others have pointed out, it is pretty basic and VERY outdated. So, if you get elected and give me reasons to join, I will be more than happy to send in my money to another organization (in addition to this one) that is a good return on my investment.
The dues may not be that much to some (next to nothing to many I am sure), but I have a family to support and a budget to live by, and because of that my money must have a return of some kind. I have looked at the OC website and, as others have pointed out, it is pretty basic and VERY outdated. So, if you get elected and give me reasons to join, I will be more than happy to send in my money to another organization (in addition to this one) that is a good return on my investment.
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Just some clarifications, with all due respect Andrew
As a point of clarification, in fact it does exceed the $30 per year, annual membership trinket, including shipping, etc. is usually @$15, then each t-shirt is about @$9.
With regards to actual costs, our expenditures normally equal our revenues. Last year was better than any prior year with regard to revenue.
This is a good idea, one I have tried to do without success in the past, perhaps if you are elected you will be more successful. The one vendor that agreed to provide members discounts in the past is Rich Andrade. I did have a listing for this in the old forums, but due to lack of content did not carry it forward.
All of these features, (except for the regularity of their updates), existed in the past 928 OC forum, with one being dropped in the new 928 OC forum (it has been in place for nearly 1 year). Again if you can do more, that would be great for the members. I have sought out members to help as often as possible, but most decline due to busy schedules.
When I stepped up to volunteer in 2003, there was a list of "members". My review of the oldest file I have puts the peak number (since I have been involved) at 1200. What needs to be understood is that there people had only paid ONCE, and had joined over a 5 year period. There were no annual fees at all, just a one time sign up fee, there was also no club activity except to sponsor the 928 Frenzy on an annual basis.
Initially I put together a mailing to all those listed. As would be expected many addresses were no longer valid and many no longer had a 928. The number of total members who decided to starting paying annual fees was close to the number we have today.
We had advertised in the past on Rennlist, Panarama and 928 Forum. We didn't get any results from the magazine advertising and the cost was high. John Dunkle was very generous in providing the 928 OC support on Rennlist. If you can do better, that would be wonderful.
Hopefully I will see those 10 new member applications soon. Unfortunately I have not received a membership database update since the membership chairperson transition.
To be clear, there is no ill will on my part. I am quite ready for the right person to put their time in.
My real concern with Andrew's promises is that to fulfill these promises without discarding what is being done now, I expect he will need many more hours per week than I put in, and more funds as well.
Whatever the members want is ok with me.
With regards to actual costs, our expenditures normally equal our revenues. Last year was better than any prior year with regard to revenue.
If elected President, one of my top goals is to make sure YOU get more value than you pay for your membership. I have already spoken to a couple vendors and one plan is establishing a relationship with vendors that provide 928OC members with a special discount. It could be in the form of a discounted price, free shipping, etc. This way purchases stay with our most allied vendors, and most importantly, YOU get more value for your membership!
Also, if elected, another of my top goals is to improve the visibility and communication of the owner's club. I think there has been a void in this category over the past few years. I'm not talking about a huge publication, but maybe a regular listing of upcoming 928 OC sponsored regional events, a tech corner, and a listing of partner vendor specials. Short and simple.
Did you know the 928 OC has had as many as 1,600 unique members, but that current membership is only at about 400 members? In my mind, that shows people are not getting value. But more alarming is that 400 members is not a sustainable membership. There needs to be a better marketing effort to increasing awareness of the 928OC and increase overall membership.
Initially I put together a mailing to all those listed. As would be expected many addresses were no longer valid and many no longer had a 928. The number of total members who decided to starting paying annual fees was close to the number we have today.
This is where regular communication comes into play. I think it might also be worth exploring advertising options. Rennlist, Pelican, Panorama, facebook, twitter, etc. I have never seen any effort to draw in new members except for the sponsoring of various events. If you want different results, something has to change!. Just this last week at the 5th Sharks in Hell event, we tried something new, and we signed up TEN NEW MEMBERS! So I know I can effectively increase membership with simple strategies.
Hopefully I will see those 10 new member applications soon. Unfortunately I have not received a membership database update since the membership chairperson transition.
To be clear, there is no ill will on my part. I am quite ready for the right person to put their time in.
My real concern with Andrew's promises is that to fulfill these promises without discarding what is being done now, I expect he will need many more hours per week than I put in, and more funds as well.
Whatever the members want is ok with me.
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Who else is running? I'd like to hear from them too...
I am a charter member and have been asked and have paid my dues regularly. Currently the regional go to guy for Central TX and we are back up and running for the year and change I have been on the point here.
It would be nice to see Phil Tong's old website at the forefront again and maybe getting some updates and such...
I am a charter member and have been asked and have paid my dues regularly. Currently the regional go to guy for Central TX and we are back up and running for the year and change I have been on the point here.
It would be nice to see Phil Tong's old website at the forefront again and maybe getting some updates and such...
Phil Tong's site was lost, and only partially recovered. One member tried to restore a bit, and while his effort was greatly appreciated, he soon lost interest in the project, so it is what it is, until someone else steps up.
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Andrew,
When I was considering buying a 928 over a year ago the first thing I did was contact the Regional Contact for my area AND read a lot here at RL. I had a lot of questions and wanted to talk to someone locally that could give me advice, help me look over local cars for sale and give me contact info of other 928 owners. At that time the Regional Contact was VERY helpful and took a lot of time with me. He also put me in contact with a couple other owners. They were a huge help.
Since that time the Regional Contact has changed and seems uninterested in organizing any kind of GTGs, Runs or Tech Sessions. This is what's keeping me from joining 928OC. If the Contacts don't keep things running for the club, what is the benefit of joining? Maybe, I just don't understand what the role is of the RCs.
If you do become President I hope you can do something about club participation of the Regional Contacts.
When I was considering buying a 928 over a year ago the first thing I did was contact the Regional Contact for my area AND read a lot here at RL. I had a lot of questions and wanted to talk to someone locally that could give me advice, help me look over local cars for sale and give me contact info of other 928 owners. At that time the Regional Contact was VERY helpful and took a lot of time with me. He also put me in contact with a couple other owners. They were a huge help.
Since that time the Regional Contact has changed and seems uninterested in organizing any kind of GTGs, Runs or Tech Sessions. This is what's keeping me from joining 928OC. If the Contacts don't keep things running for the club, what is the benefit of joining? Maybe, I just don't understand what the role is of the RCs.
If you do become President I hope you can do something about club participation of the Regional Contacts.
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If you read my statement on the OC website, one of the things I'd like to do is sponsor more driving/enjoyment events. Perhaps a track day, or AutoX, or maybe just a fun run or a concour d'elegance. A lot depends on funding, and I don't know what the annual budget/expense rate is of the OC (another reason for better transperancy). But if possible, I'd like to see more of these activities as well.
Where would these events occur? 928 OC members are scattered widely, so any such event would like only serve a few. The OCICs while wonderful are usually only attended by @100, and people schedule vacations around them once every two years.
Your plan to raise funds through sponsors or otherwise will be needed. As I have said (in other threads as well) what the 928 OC takes in, it expends on an annual basis. (this last year being the first exception).
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A short answer with regard to the website, it is nearly 7 years old, and I simply don't have time to revamp it with consideration to all the other hours I put in the club. Any work I have done for the club on the site, installing software, helping users, etc. has been without charge. Like most members, I have to earn a living as well, so the limit of free time I can give is limited.
I do hope if Andrew is elected, he will continue the trend of the club, which is to have members volunteer their time and efforts.
I do hope if Andrew is elected, he will continue the trend of the club, which is to have members volunteer their time and efforts.
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A short answer with regard to the website, it is nearly 7 years old, and I simply don't have time to revamp it with consideration to all the other hours I put in the club. Any work I have done for the club on the site, installing software, helping users, etc. has been without charge. Like most members, I have to earn a living as well, so the limit of free time I can give is limited.
I do hope if Andrew is elected, he will continue the trend of the club, which is to have members volunteer their time and efforts.
I do hope if Andrew is elected, he will continue the trend of the club, which is to have members volunteer their time and efforts.
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I was going to run for president, pretty much gave up when my campaign shirts for Sharks in the Mountains got mixed up with someone else.
Didn't open the box until we got there....
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The 928 track idea...sounds good, in reality it can't happen except when the PCA participates and then probably at a big 928OCIC type gathering. The cost of renting a facility is HUGE ($7k a day for weekend rates here in TX) and the number of flag, grid, safety and instructors needed is WELL BEYOND the membership of the 928OC in all of TX... If they were all working then they wouldn't even be driving.
Clearly AO has never organized a DE event...or at least not one put on to the level we are used to here in TX. I was president of my local PCA region when we started doing DE's...the time, money and participation requirements were STAGGERING!
Clearly AO has never organized a DE event...or at least not one put on to the level we are used to here in TX. I was president of my local PCA region when we started doing DE's...the time, money and participation requirements were STAGGERING!
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The 928 track idea...sounds good, in reality it can't happen except when the PCA participates and then probably at a big 928OCIC type gathering. The cost of renting a facility is HUGE ($7k a day for weekend rates here in TX) and the number of flag, grid, safety and instructors needed is WELL BEYOND the membership of the 928OC in all of TX... If they were all working then they wouldn't even be driving.
Clearly AO has never organized a DE event...or at least not one put on to the level we are used to here in TX. I was president of my local PCA region when we started doing DE's...the time, money and participation requirements were STAGGERING!
Clearly AO has never organized a DE event...or at least not one put on to the level we are used to here in TX. I was president of my local PCA region when we started doing DE's...the time, money and participation requirements were STAGGERING!