'93 GTS Rare Factory Widebody DTS?
08-16-2010, 12:50 AM
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Scam? seriously?
Scam why because of a misspelling? DTS instead of GTS
Give me a break
and clearly you have never seen a japanese market 928 before. I don't think I've EVER seen a Japanese 928 WITHOUT THOSE FLARES ON THE FRONT. Its ironic your blabbering on because someone else doesn't know their 928 lineage here. What do they call that? Oh yeah... Ironic.
That being said its no small task to LEGALLY import a grey market care here in the states.... at least to do it officially.
Scam why because of a misspelling? DTS instead of GTS
Give me a break
and clearly you have never seen a japanese market 928 before. I don't think I've EVER seen a Japanese 928 WITHOUT THOSE FLARES ON THE FRONT. Its ironic your blabbering on because someone else doesn't know their 928 lineage here. What do they call that? Oh yeah... Ironic.
That being said its no small task to LEGALLY import a grey market care here in the states.... at least to do it officially.
Had outsider not brought this 'potential' spelling error to our attention, you wouldn't be so sure of yourself now would you? I suppose you, the resident 928 'expert' and critic that you are, HAVE actually seen a japanese-spec 928 before and, with a factory widebody?
FYI, I helped source and purchase a Japanese-spec LHD for a buddy and I've never heard of a factory 'widebody' anywhere before. Maybe I should have consulted you first.
08-16-2010, 01:44 AM
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I am not clear on the front fender difference that you guys are talking about.
I picked mine up on Vancouver island last year. I have the Japanese doc's from when it went through D.O.T.
Here is a picture. please explain the differences between mine and a US model of the same year.
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89 928 Left HD Japan vin#WPOZZZ92ZKS842476
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I picked mine up on Vancouver island last year. I have the Japanese doc's from when it went through D.O.T.
Here is a picture. please explain the differences between mine and a US model of the same year.
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89 928 Left HD Japan vin#WPOZZZ92ZKS842476
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08-16-2010, 02:27 AM
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basically the orange side marker behind your front wheel..... on a US model it's in front of the front wheel..and there is a red one behind the rear wheel...
Plus some other changes
Plus some other changes
08-16-2010, 02:29 AM
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BTW..cars brought into Japan had to have a cat temp monitoring system as well as sidemarkers similar to the euro's. In addition, at some point in the 90's they also required that no part of the wheel extend beyond the fender..hence the addition of the front and rear flares as shown on the GTS in question here...
08-16-2010, 04:00 AM
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Thats not Japanise VIN. Thats normal ROW VIN. AFAIK Japan had is own VIN sequences only in '78-79 and '85-88 model years.
In all other years Japanise models were done as part of ROW VIN sequence. For those years Japanise cars can be identified with country option codes C08 (LHD) and C18 (RHD). Both are true Japanise models made for them despite steering wheel being at wrong side in C08. Most of not all '90+ MY cars had both front and rear fonder pieces installed when they were new. Many have lost them since. Rear pieces were used in Swiss GTS also but they should not have fronts.
In addition to Japanise VIN and country code cars there were some additional cars impoted there both new and used, also both ROW models and US cars. Only US models can be easily imported into US.
There were two or three separate Exclusive department special body styles available over the years. All of them have been discussed in the past in here.
Code:
MY Model Market Smallest VIN Largest VIN Qty Total
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78 928 Japan 9288209501 - 209575 75
79 928 Japan 9289209511 - 209623 113
85 928 S Japan WP0ZZZ92ZFS849561 - 849660 100
86 928 S Japan WP0ZZZ92ZGS849561 - 849643 83
87 928 S4 Japan WP0ZZZ92ZHS849561 - 849746 186
88 928 S4 Japan WP0ZZZ92ZJS849561 - 849827 267
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In addition to Japanise VIN and country code cars there were some additional cars impoted there both new and used, also both ROW models and US cars. Only US models can be easily imported into US.
There were two or three separate Exclusive department special body styles available over the years. All of them have been discussed in the past in here.
08-16-2010, 12:36 PM
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08-16-2010, 01:36 PM
#22
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Thats not Japanise VIN. Thats normal ROW VIN. AFAIK Japan had is own VIN sequences only in '78-79 and '85-88 model years.
In all other years Japanise models were done as part of ROW VIN sequence. For those years Japanise cars can be identified with country option codes C08 (LHD) and C18 (RHD). Both are true Japanise models made for them despite steering wheel being at wrong side in C08. Most of not all '90+ MY cars had both front and rear fonder pieces installed when they were new. Many have lost them since. Rear pieces were used in Swiss GTS also but they should not have fronts.
In addition to Japanise VIN and country code cars there were some additional cars impoted there both new and used, also both ROW models and US cars. Only US models can be easily imported into US.
There were two or three separate Exclusive department special body styles available over the years. All of them have been discussed in the past in here.
Code:
MY Model Market Smallest VIN Largest VIN Qty Total
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78 928 Japan 9288209501 - 209575 75
79 928 Japan 9289209511 - 209623 113
85 928 S Japan WP0ZZZ92ZFS849561 - 849660 100
86 928 S Japan WP0ZZZ92ZGS849561 - 849643 83
87 928 S4 Japan WP0ZZZ92ZHS849561 - 849746 186
88 928 S4 Japan WP0ZZZ92ZJS849561 - 849827 267
---------------------------------------------------------------
824
In addition to Japanise VIN and country code cars there were some additional cars impoted there both new and used, also both ROW models and US cars. Only US models can be easily imported into US.
There were two or three separate Exclusive department special body styles available over the years. All of them have been discussed in the past in here.
I know when I checked the vin code opps I saw the CO8 code. so... if I understand you right it is a ROW that was sold to Japan???
08-16-2010, 05:10 PM
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Its LHD Japanise model. VIN for that particular year is just part of the normal ROW sequence and not in its own sequence like what was in use during some other model years. Its meant for Japan and all equipment needed there like cat temp warning system were installed at factory production line. Its as Japanise model as any other 928 meant to be sold there.
08-16-2010, 05:19 PM
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MAC are you in Canada or US? You mention DOT, maybe that is what they call it in Canada too. If you are in the US and you picked the car up in BC and just drove it in that would be a heck of a feat. Just hope NHTSA does not come calling. They would not like that...unless someone did do the $13k worth of conversion needed to certify the car in the US.
08-16-2010, 05:29 PM
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e.g. Province of Ontario has the Ontario Ministry of Transportaion
In Canada it's administered at the provincial level (state level). Each province has their own DOT. Although, VIN's are administered at the Fed level...possibly due to the import/export requirements. This is my understanding, but if someone knows any different please let me know...it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong...not even this afternoon.
Cheers,
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08-16-2010, 06:15 PM
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This car has been for sale locally here for a while now, he has dropped about 12K off the price since it was first listed for sale. The "DTS" is likely a typo error made by Auto Trader, not the seller, as all his previous ads were fine. I had contacted him a few months back to learn more about the car and it seems legit. It even comes with a complete new carpet set for install by the next owner as he never got a chance to do it. Apparently he owns this car and a Ferrari 328...and one has to go. He had the Ferrari for sale a while ago too, so I guess it didn't sell either seeing he has the GTS listed again.
I agree it looks like a good deal for a GTS, but as discussed, the car isn't elegible for import into the USA in this condition, and finding a buyer in the much smaller Canadian market takes plenty of time. With all the price dropping going on it's just a matter of time before someone who won't appreciate the car for what it is buys it and either trashes it, or drives it into the ground. Maybe it's time to take another look...
I agree it looks like a good deal for a GTS, but as discussed, the car isn't elegible for import into the USA in this condition, and finding a buyer in the much smaller Canadian market takes plenty of time. With all the price dropping going on it's just a matter of time before someone who won't appreciate the car for what it is buys it and either trashes it, or drives it into the ground. Maybe it's time to take another look...
08-16-2010, 11:50 PM
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I bet it's near impossible to find a good 928 wrench in Japan. Maybe that's why they sell relatively cheaply over there. "That timing belt looks like....., OH NOOO GODZILLAH!!!!"
08-20-2010, 02:59 AM
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DOT (US) = PMOT (provincial ministry of transportion in CND)
e.g. Province of Ontario has the Ontario Ministry of Transportaion
In Canada it's administered at the provincial level (state level). Each province has their own DOT. Although, VIN's are administered at the Fed level...possibly due to the import/export requirements. This is my understanding, but if someone knows any different please let me know...it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong...not even this afternoon.
Cheers,
Doug
e.g. Province of Ontario has the Ontario Ministry of Transportaion
In Canada it's administered at the provincial level (state level). Each province has their own DOT. Although, VIN's are administered at the Fed level...possibly due to the import/export requirements. This is my understanding, but if someone knows any different please let me know...it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong...not even this afternoon.
Cheers,
Doug
I was on holidays in BC, nosing around a used car lot.
They had brought the car in and it was still getting checked out by the Department Of Transportation (DOT)
All the paper work was in Japanese.
The registry office converted it to an english copy and I got one of each.
After the required work was done so that it would meet Canadian requirements I had it flat-decked to Alberta and ran through a safety inspection
With 92 k on the car all of that cost me $10,287.
I think thats a great price for a super car with 92k on it.
So far I have put around $5k into it including the stereo
The paint job at Joeys custom car this winter will be some where between 12 and $15,000
Have to do upper B-joints yet, some electrical, and maybe replace the rug.
08-21-2010, 08:03 PM
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I have only had the pleasure to own this 1 Porsche.
I was very lucky to have stumbled across it last year, or I would have never joined this awesome group of super car owners.
I did not know that the 928, my favorite of all porsches, was with-in my price range. I will have this car, and hopefully more, till the day I am to old to drive.
the next 30 years if i am lucky. I turn 49 in Dec.
With out these 4 or 5 forums I would have never been able to continue the maintenance on this old girl, and for that I am indebted to you and all others that have assisted with the chit chat that in the end, points to the areas of the car that require attention.