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Old 05-14-2010, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by BPG_Austin
FWIW, my '87 passed Texas smog with flying colors. No smog pump, chips, high flow cats and headers. My understanding is these engines run very clean. I believe I heard there are some dallas folk passing tailpipe without cats. Go for it Bob!
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Another example where the letter of the law is counter productive. 100% technically speaking, anything but the OEM original CAT is not allowed. Even though a modern high flow cat without the air pump is cleaner than the original equipment.
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Get historic tags and you won't have to worry about it.
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Originally Posted by Glenn M
Get historic tags and you won't have to worry about it.
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How many states do not offer them?

Wisconsin is so behind the times, only a small corner of the state does any emission testing. The area that does only requires ODBII (96+) cars to be compliant.
No rolling road or sniffer, just a check of the ODBII system via the diagnostic port to make sure all systems are functioning.
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Maryland does, have them on both 928's and my Triumph. Just need to be over 20 years old. They are also cheaper to run.
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Wisconsin has collector and hobbiest tags. Even without, only a small pocket of the state does any testing. Starting last year they only test 96+ ODBII cars by plugging into the diagnostic port and check for errors.

The Wisconsin hobbiest plate is rather unique. Almost anything can be titled with one. I've seen full out race cars (see prototype) registered for street use up here.
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Smog test have nothing to do with air quality or saving the planet. They are strictly a source of revenue for the government.
Old 05-14-2010, 03:02 PM
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Exactly. Same with speeding and red light tickets.

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Old 05-14-2010, 03:30 PM
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I am one of the people who thinks that picking on enthusiasts with well-maintained cars amounts to the EPA barking up the wrong tree. I went through hell last year with my '76 Ramcharger that gets driven maybe 200 miles a year. Makes no sense whatsoever. Just one example, if you look about 2/3 down this page you can see that the particulates in ship exhaust create cloud formations visible from space!

The one thing I would add to the discussion, if there is even the smallest chance you may sell the car, keep the parts. If a buyer in a state that is super-**** about this stuff(e.g. Calif.) wants them, it will be one less point for them to negotiate downward.
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Originally Posted by Glenn M
Get historic tags and you won't have to worry about it.
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I'm not going to give up my PCA 928 tags!

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I'm also not planning on selling the car, but I'll keep the parts, just in case. Thanks Sharkskin.

Thanks to all for the advice and opinions on the worthiness of the EPA and associated laws to protect the environment.

When Al Gore lowers his carbon footprint, let me know. Then maybe I'll worry about mine.
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Originally Posted by dprantl
Exactly. Same with speeding and red light tickets.

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Red light camera tickets ARE NOT for revenue generation. The $$$$ is only the by-product.
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here is at least one good reason for redlight cameras, they document sheer stupidity well......wonder if any of these folks got a ticket? Those that lived that is..... unfortunately it looks like a lot of innocent folks got wacked pretty hard...... http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=-qvXbIenivk No 928's were injured in this production
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Nice compilation of potential Darwin award recipients!

And just to think that all this is caused from removing the air pump. Who would have thunk it?

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Originally Posted by Imo000
Red light camera tickets ARE NOT for revenue generation. The $$$$ is only the by-product.
Think about it a little more. Usually the people who take a red light and cause an accident are ones that are completely oblivious to the light in the first place (because they're on the phone, looking somewhere else, **** drunk, etc) and no camera is going to stop the accident from happening. Most of the tickets generated by red light cameras are ones where the light was yellow and people just missed it. This almost never results in an accident because the time between the red light and the subsequent green light on the other intersecting road has around a 2 second gap.

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I disagree. It seems to me that there's been a trend over the last ten years or so of people pushing past the red lights further and further. I've seen as many as six cars continue through a left turn after their light turned red.

At that point you can quickly get into situations where someone is coming through the recently changed green light and the last two or three idiots who turned on red are still in the intersection. The red light cameras help cut down this behavior, which, IMO, is not only stupid and dangerous, it's also rude.
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Wow, spend the day traveling and come back to this thread to read about a bunch of whiney law breakers. Aren't we all?

My comment about why remove the air pump is in relation to the idea Porsche obviously designed the engine and attendant metering with the air pump in place. I'm not concerned at all about the pollution aspect, though I believe cars today are much better performing because of them, but why one removes any component of any system that was obviously engineered into the car seems strange unless you are seriously modifying the car.


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