Time to Brag again
03-15-2010, 03:29 AM
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YEA BABY! LOVE IT!! "928's are to big." "928's don't handle well." HA! Love it when we can show folks just what a 928 in the right hands can REALLY DO!
Way to go RKD! You DA MAN!
Way to go RKD! You DA MAN!
03-15-2010, 09:34 AM
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Fantastic Richard! What does FTD mean? Something about being best I'm sure, or about flowers. 
03-15-2010, 09:37 AM
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FTD Fastest Time of the Day
Nice job Richard! So what were you competing against and were there any comments from competitors?
Nice job Richard! So what were you competing against and were there any comments from competitors?
03-15-2010, 11:23 AM
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No excuses, you have to join us at one of our events this year. We have several venues some closer and some further away from you. I recommend our Meadowlands Giant's stadium events. Big open lot and lots of fun. Although NNJR AX's are some of the more technical events you will find. You have to build into them since they can be rather tricky. But we have a full novice class you can start off with and it makes it more competitive for newb's.
Hope to see you at some of them this year. I had too many conflicts last year and missed all but 1 but plan on being at 90% of them this year.
You might consider some DE's too. The 928 does quite well on the track.
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03-15-2010, 11:38 AM
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FTD is fastest time, no flowers or prize monies, just bragging rights. Our event doesn't really have classes, we just note whether or not someone is running competition tires (anything under 200 treadwear rated). The courses we set up are more open than the typical autocross somewhere between an autocross and a track lap. I got well into 3rd gear 3 places on the course. At the end of the year the competing Porsches from the club do get a small trophy based on models and 911 are broken down into year ranges.
First, 928 GTS on street tires.
Second, hopped up 944 Turbo on race rubber.
Third, performance enhanced NSX on race rubber.
Fourth, X-15 997 Turbo on street tires.
Fifth, stripped out Honda on race rubber.
Sixth, Z06 on race rubber.
Most of the competitors are regulars at the event and expect me to be fast especially when they hear the V8 RMB scream. Mostly I hear the 928 looks and sounds really fast. I have been autocrossing for the past 12 years and typically am the fastest Porsche on street tires no matter which model I drive. My students were about 2 seconds faster comparing their times to the guys they compete against that didn't come to my school.
First, 928 GTS on street tires.
Second, hopped up 944 Turbo on race rubber.
Third, performance enhanced NSX on race rubber.
Fourth, X-15 997 Turbo on street tires.
Fifth, stripped out Honda on race rubber.
Sixth, Z06 on race rubber.
Most of the competitors are regulars at the event and expect me to be fast especially when they hear the V8 RMB scream. Mostly I hear the 928 looks and sounds really fast. I have been autocrossing for the past 12 years and typically am the fastest Porsche on street tires no matter which model I drive. My students were about 2 seconds faster comparing their times to the guys they compete against that didn't come to my school.
03-15-2010, 11:47 AM
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Mike,
No excuses, you have to join us at one of our events this year. We have several venues some closer and some further away from you. I recommend our Meadowlands Giant's stadium events. Big open lot and lots of fun. Although NNJR AX's are some of the more technical events you will find. You have to build into them since they can be rather tricky. But we have a full novice class you can start off with and it makes it more competitive for newb's.
Hope to see you at some of them this year. I had too many conflicts last year and missed all but 1 but plan on being at 90% of them this year.
You might consider some DE's too. The 928 does quite well on the track.
No excuses, you have to join us at one of our events this year. We have several venues some closer and some further away from you. I recommend our Meadowlands Giant's stadium events. Big open lot and lots of fun. Although NNJR AX's are some of the more technical events you will find. You have to build into them since they can be rather tricky. But we have a full novice class you can start off with and it makes it more competitive for newb's.
Hope to see you at some of them this year. I had too many conflicts last year and missed all but 1 but plan on being at 90% of them this year.
You might consider some DE's too. The 928 does quite well on the track.
Meadowlands sounds awesome! Do I have to be a PCA member? (I've let my membership lapse). What about the inspection? Do I need a fire extinguisher?
RKD,
Sorry for the partial hijack, but you started it by bragging! 2 seconds faster for your students is big. Congrats!
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03-15-2010, 12:17 PM
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Here is a short video of me showing what it looks like to 4 wheel drift a skid pad at my class.
928 GTS doing the skid pad
Note: This is NOT "Drifting". A 4 wheel drift is where both front and rear tires are at about a 7 to 10 degrees slip angle. That means both front and rear tires are pointed 7 to 10 degrees more into the turn from the direction they are actually traveling. Hence all the tire squealing. 7 to 10 degrees is the maximum cornering capability for tires on concrete or asphalt. "Drifting" is hanging out the rear end at far as you can get it. If you were to drift a corner you would be slower because the tire moving sideways brakes more than it turns the car. On lower friction surfaces like dirt or ice, the maximum slip angle increases to the point that "Drifting" actually is faster than a 4 wheel drift.
928 GTS doing the skid pad
Note: This is NOT "Drifting". A 4 wheel drift is where both front and rear tires are at about a 7 to 10 degrees slip angle. That means both front and rear tires are pointed 7 to 10 degrees more into the turn from the direction they are actually traveling. Hence all the tire squealing. 7 to 10 degrees is the maximum cornering capability for tires on concrete or asphalt. "Drifting" is hanging out the rear end at far as you can get it. If you were to drift a corner you would be slower because the tire moving sideways brakes more than it turns the car. On lower friction surfaces like dirt or ice, the maximum slip angle increases to the point that "Drifting" actually is faster than a 4 wheel drift.
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03-15-2010, 12:19 PM
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RKD,
That fourth place was probably and X-50, not X-15...unless there is an X-15 I have never heard of. The X-50 package is the increased engine output that has been available on most 911's for the last 15 or 20 years as I understand it.
Good work...you were up against some good cars too for that FTD!
That fourth place was probably and X-50, not X-15...unless there is an X-15 I have never heard of. The X-50 package is the increased engine output that has been available on most 911's for the last 15 or 20 years as I understand it.
Good work...you were up against some good cars too for that FTD!
03-15-2010, 12:31 PM
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Note added for 4 wheel drift vs. Drifting. The closest I get to drifting is on corner entry and then it is more simple oversteer than power oversteer like Drifting. I have a 5/55 brake bias valve. That helps to unweight the rear of the car more under heavy braking, that combined with a soft rebound on the rear Koni reds. I ease off the brakes just after I start turning in. Since the weight is still off the rear of the car the rear starts to rotate. If I have done it right and am not going too slow the car slides a little sideways as it turns in and I counter steer just a bit to maintain the slide until the car has slowed to 4 wheel drift speed. Then I apply moderate throttle to put the oversteer in check and turn the steering back into the corner to set the car in a 4 wheel drift heading for the apex of the corner.
After my class practiced 4 wheel drifting we discussed and practiced corner entry like I described above. Thats what all the cones in a straight line in the foreground of the video were for. Use the cones to tell when to late brake to set up the 4 wheel drift.
After my class practiced 4 wheel drifting we discussed and practiced corner entry like I described above. Thats what all the cones in a straight line in the foreground of the video were for. Use the cones to tell when to late brake to set up the 4 wheel drift.