robmaxfli

You Guys have read my 3 posts by now.

It was never meant to be "Corvette is a better car than a 928". If the 928 is running correctly I would take it any day of the week over a Vette.

But don't bash the Corvettes too badly. What did a 1995 GTS sell for? $80000+ . A 1995 Corvette was $38000. Pretty comparable performance true? 0 - 60 about the same. Top speed goes to the 928 -along with the tighter feel. I will just say this: Chevy could use better materials and firm up any car they wanted to (they have the know how)- but then they wouldn't be able to charge $38K for the car. Most people don't care if their sports cars rattle. 928 was able to build a unique car that gets tighter as you go faster - a cool thing.

Question: How many times do you take your car to 160mph? Do they still have the Cannonball Run?

Do you think that it is worth it to pay $40000 more for tighter feeling doors that close - or that tigher feeling at 160mph?

You will never convince me that the 928 requires less parts/service (or easier) (or cheaper) service than any year corvette. If I was in a Fiat forum I wouldn't be able to convince them either.

What about the 928 dash pod that cracks all the time? All the electrical gremlins I hear of, expensive relays and fuses? Clutches that wear out < 20 K miles. Manual transmission synchros. Leaks and more leaks. Rubber deteriorating... These are QUALITY + DESIGN issues friends..$80K worth. If I pay this much for a car and then have to start replacing stuff @ 15K miles , then I'd be bitter.

A lot of you guys have said "well these are 20+ year old cars". But I've read all of these 928 stories when the cars were still relatively new too.

I think that Porsche has kind of given you 928 owners the shaft in a way. They build this high performing car, don't sell a lot of them, charge high dollar for parts ($1400 workshop manuals) and service (if you can find someone to work on them), have several design flaws that require constant attention, parts then become obsolete and you are left holding the bag.
I applaud you guys for having this club and keeping the cars going. You have managed to cut out the Porsche dealers for service every time someone comes up with a documented procedure and shares it - very cool.

I didn't hit the lottery last night but I still have hope in getting one some day. Corvette has its own issues for sure...

SeanR

What, exactly, is the purpose of these threads you keep posting?

I don't quite understand why one would even compare the two, aside the fact that they both have 4 wheels, 2 doors and a V-8.

jpNcos

GOOD BYE
Stick with the Corvette forum.
Why are you still here?

robot808

Lizard928

all of your problems are completely incorrect, except for the syncros and that was only the earlier cars.

I think you need to just stick with the domestic forum

GlenL

This is the perfect exit interview. You get it precisely!

The person leaving whines and bitches and the people you left behind don't give a damn what you say.

Bill Ball

I hope you find a Vette that makes you happy. I had one, but like all my other cars prior to my 928, I tired of it in 5 or so years and sold it with no regrets.

As to your high-speed cruising question - there are a group of us who run our cars in the US Autobahn and Silver State Classic. In all but the all-out classes, at least anything up to about 150 average/170 top, this is just a take-it-out-there-and-drive-it experience - no special prep. Other car owners there are amazed that I can take an old car that I paid $16K for 10 years ago and drive it to work one day, race it the next, then drive straight to work the following day. I don't even change my oil and maintenance schedule. The car was designed with this kind of driving in mind. I drove it for years in these races without the supercharger, bone stock and original, with an untouched drivetrain. I still have had no reason to open the motor to date. Until the recent Z06, there was no Vette that could possibly do that. All the older Vettes that race are very heavily modified and extremely expensive and none too reliable. Yes, the original price for the 928 was a lot higher than these older Vettes, but to bring an old Vette up to road race worthy condition even close to a 928 is a major undertaking. The new Zs are much more road race worthy and you can see the older Vette owners migrating to them, and they even have attracted some prominent 928 owners to buy them. So, it's a close call between the new Z model Vettes and an old 928, although I wonder what a 20 year old unrestored Z Vette will be like to drive. Have fun.

Marine Blue

I've owned two 928's and the cost of ownership is no where near what you are talking about. The only somewhat comparable Corvette from the same era to the 928 is the ZR1, not much else even comes close for handling and performance. The ZR1 doesn't hold a candle to the 928 as far as build quality and comfort. Lets not forget 4 seats, lots of us have kids and the two back seats are perfect for them to go on car rides. Can't do that with a Vette.

These car's really aren't the same and shouldn't be compared.

I will be the first to admit that the current Corvette is an amazing car and something I would like to own. It is probably more comparable to the 928's performance and easier to drive due to the more modern chassis. It's still not a replacement for the 928, just a really good stablemate.

It's obvious you're stirring the pot but it does deserve a response.

RevAgent

Many, such as yourself, are content with an off-the-rack-suit, whereas the more refined individuals, such as the members of this forum, prefer our suits to be custom tailored....you prefer JC Penney; we prefer William Fioravanti.

Not to mention the fact that the majority of ****vette owners that I see have mullets, and drive a car worth more than [their] trailer...[your] relentless pursuit at this subject does nothing but support the fact that you are indeed of this nature.

It's obvious that you are just upset that you simply cannot afford 928 ownership, so for people like you, there is the over-priced Camaro...have fun with buying parts for your heap, especially after GM goes out of business.

Shark Attack

I had 2 vetts. Both completely fell apart at almost EXACTLY 100,000 miles. Smoked when you stated them up, every engine accy had failed, Brake boosters you name is at 100K the cars FELL APART.
My 928 is an 85 (older than my 87 vettes) with 180,000 and is still going strong. The vette, over 120mph was really unstable you didnt feel secure at all in the car at those speeds The vette was only ever to 135 and i had white knuckles the whole time. The 928 has been to 140 and it is like you are going 60.

in 87 a vet was $29995 while my 85 928 was $50085 I would have to say a well maintained 928 was the better choice. My vetts were less nor better cared for than the 928.


But anyway, it doesnt matter. As Jackie said in Risky Biz. "you dont buy sony if you want RCA" Its whatever your flavor it brutha

Ragnar Joensen

I have had 3 928's by now.

The current car, which is the I wll keep - it has all the right things and economy vs. condition. It is a 1989 GT with just below 100,000 miles on the clock.

Cracking pod - no where near. Never had this problem on 3 cars.

Electrical problems - none that I know of. Some vacuum issues I admit.

Expensive fuses ? What is that ?

I have the original clutch (yes, 100,000 miles) - and I can spin those diff locked wheels to my hearts content. Is there a problem ?

My manual is running smooth. My car has had 5 previous owners.

Leaks - OK, my 20 year old oilpan packing was leaking, so I replaced it.

Deteriorating rubber - where is that ?

Replacing parts after 15K miles - what parts ? Oil and filter ? What parts did You replace on Your 15K mile 928 ?

I think You are plain and simple ignorant. Come back with 5 years of experience on the Vette and 5 years on the 928 of same vintage, and be specific and detailed in Your criticism. We see the ignorants, who are full of BS, 13 by the dozen.


Ragnar

whiteNSXs

I totally agree with many things that you said here. The 1995 928 and a 1995 Vette are cars in 2 different classes. They are comparable in performance but that is where the similarity ends. The 928 has issues with reliability and material durability and that is the part that I have known for the longest time. In fact, my next projects are removing the air flaps, changing the vacuum lines, tearing out the dash to replace all the AC diaphragms, replacing the dim and dimmer switch, replacing the AC compressors/lines/expansion valve, changing out the sticky mirror switch, perhaps fixing the seat memory system or simply dumping it, retrofitting Superclamp and rebuilding the TT, and a few others. I knew I had to do all that at some point BEFORE I bought my 928 last year.
But you are missing the point entirely when it comes to owning a fine car. If all I want were performance and reliability, wouldn't a used 350z be a better choice? I drove a 1998 Lexus SC400 and I swear that thing drove better and handled better than my 928. In fact you would be stupid not to buy the 350z over the 1995 Vette if all you care is reliability. Jay Leno is a total sucker for owning all these slow and unreliable multi-million dollar collection when my Honda CRV outperforms and outhandles 90% of his cars? The people wearing $50 Timex must be laughing their asses off about my $120 Costco Seiko while I should call people with Pateks absolute idiots.
Choosing a car is not about just numbers and reliability. I know I am going to get flamed on my views on the 928 reliability. It all boils down to where you are in your life, your finance, your purpose, what tickles your fancies, what you can tolerate, and whatever. For myself, I simply cannot live with a rattling flimsy body and cheap ugly interior. As gorgeous as Angelina Jolie, some might think she is ugly with big lips, who knows if she would be a total temperamental, hysterical, or frigid asexual disaster or really as hot and loving as she appears? I am sure many guys are willing to tolerate a few of her shortcomings at least for a short time.

For me, I have loved the 928 as a kid, further impressed by it in Risky Business, Scarface, Wierd Science, and numerous sighting on streets, driving and sitting in it while looking over much lesser cars like the Vettes. I was having more priorities in life than spending on 928 repair bills. Yes, I have been a Porsche 911 owner since the 1980's and have always loved the 928 but my mechanic gave me a few negative feedbacks. Not that I looked very hard, I was unable to find an interior in decent condition in my price range.
Fast forward to 2009. Found a very good car with excellent exterior and interior although needing a bunch of unscheduled repairs. I have a little spare money and and am willing to spend on the repairs and give some TLC. Looking at its Angelina class' body, interior, stunning good look, solid build, and the Porsche mystique, it is ALL WORTH it for me and I am willing to tolerate all the unreliabilities (flame suit on). Sure you can wear your Timex and laugh at my Rolex but it is a childhood dream fulfilled, and an Angelina Jolie in my garage.
Good luck with your Vette. BTW, last time I went to Hong Kong, there were many $5 Superheros wrist watches at the Women's Streets in Mongkok. I bought a bunch for my son's Birthday gift bags. These are better investment than Timex.
Steve

dimmer

Don't let the door hit you on the way out. ;^)

worf928

Yada yada yada blah blah blah

robmaxfli

I appreciate a spirited but tasteful conversation...For the guys that know how to carry on a discussion I feel that you are the REAL car guys and assets here on this forum.
Did I mention that I would rather have a 928 than a Corvette?
For the guy with the Suit analogy, I want the Italian (or German) suit but my point is that I cannot afford to wear it or spill something on it. That is exactly what is meant by being "taken to the cleaners". This clientele is special and fortunate.

For the guys that just call me names I can picture you driving an early eighties camaro with a sticker in your windshield that says "HOT"
And it for this same group of people that I offer this 928 picture and link:

http://www.renegadehybrids.com/928/928.html