Rear Suspension
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On the Grey car the rear was hit and bent the RR. Here is a picture of the damage from above the wheel. Can see the control arm is twisted BUT the question is who has pulled a rear apart and what where the problems found.
I looked in the manual and looks like it is a matter of waiting for my lift bars and just go at it. I was thinking of just taking the right side out from under the parts car and swap them. BUT if it is just couple of parts that are bent then buying new and fixing this car will allow the other to still be able to move.
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I looked in the manual and looks like it is a matter of waiting for my lift bars and just go at it. I was thinking of just taking the right side out from under the parts car and swap them. BUT if it is just couple of parts that are bent then buying new and fixing this car will allow the other to still be able to move.
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Well, if you order tonight from 928 Intl. you can get all the used suspension parts for half price. If the piece right in front of the bent lower arm is the axle then it looks bent also. If it is just the lower arm, axle, and maybe upper arm that is bent then the fix would be pretty simple. Hard work but simple. If the attachment points to the body are damaged or bent it could get expensive. A good inspection is the only way to tell exactly what you need.
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Might be a good idea to pull the whole crossmember out.
That way it can all be inspected.
Fairly simple complexity job, as 928 work goes.
Basically, you chain the transmission to the upper stabilizer bar (its strong and it remains stationary)
Then, some straightforward unbolting. Two rear brake lines. Ebrake cable from handbrake handle, front eccentric bolts, two tranny mount bolts, two bolts just outboard of them, and two bolts on each side, way outboard on the crossmember where it butts up against the wheel well. And, 3 nuts on each side in the hatch area, holding the shock tops.
Then, you can lower it with a jack in the middle as one unit.
Would allow you to take a really clear, hard look at each component for bend and fracture.plus inspect the body mounts with care.
Good luck. I like your approach.
That way it can all be inspected.
Fairly simple complexity job, as 928 work goes.
Basically, you chain the transmission to the upper stabilizer bar (its strong and it remains stationary)
Then, some straightforward unbolting. Two rear brake lines. Ebrake cable from handbrake handle, front eccentric bolts, two tranny mount bolts, two bolts just outboard of them, and two bolts on each side, way outboard on the crossmember where it butts up against the wheel well. And, 3 nuts on each side in the hatch area, holding the shock tops.
Then, you can lower it with a jack in the middle as one unit.
Would allow you to take a really clear, hard look at each component for bend and fracture.plus inspect the body mounts with care.
Good luck. I like your approach.
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Thanks for your reply on Christmas. Merry Christmas!!!
The picture is Looking down with the axle to the LEFT of the shot.
Looking in the manual and on line, do not see a PIVOT POINT for the wheel to move as much as it did with out taking out more mounting points.
I want to get as much information as possible since my helper will be here Monday and so not want him sitting around or leading him in the wrong direction. Hope to get to the shop tomorrow when it stop raining and maybe just get the wheel off so I can see more. That is a reflection of the PO who was honest enough to send me pictures of the damage.
This is the wheel where it was bent to.
The picture is Looking down with the axle to the LEFT of the shot.
Looking in the manual and on line, do not see a PIVOT POINT for the wheel to move as much as it did with out taking out more mounting points.
I want to get as much information as possible since my helper will be here Monday and so not want him sitting around or leading him in the wrong direction. Hope to get to the shop tomorrow when it stop raining and maybe just get the wheel off so I can see more. That is a reflection of the PO who was honest enough to send me pictures of the damage.
This is the wheel where it was bent to.
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Really it was pizza he works for a pizza place that was where the car got whacked. Nice guy that could not afford to fix the car.
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One thing I would change from Landseer's suggestion is to not disconnect the brake hoses. Unbolt the calipers and tie them to the swaybar or let them hang. That way you don't have a steady drip of brake fluid, and you don't have to bleed them.
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Hope to SURVIVE Christmas so I can work on the car. My wife for some UNKNOWN reason bought xbox 360 with a thing called rock band FOR THE KIDS. Kid one is 26 and and kid #2 is 30. I have hearing the same song for the last 2 hours and really thinking about nuking the room! HELP!!!!
This will make trouble shooting the electrical on the 1982 and redoing the suspension on the 1984 a DREAM!!!!
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Looking at the damage and the way the wheel is twisted I expect the upper arm to be bent as well.
I'd plan on replacing the lower A and that upper arm. Get those parts in advance and it might be a three-hour operation.
While it's apart check the ears on the cradle from cracks. I'd accept a slight bend but no cracks. The cradle and wheel carrier are pretty stout so I don't expect those to be damaged.
Tips: Remove the nut at the front of the long rod that connects the lower arm to the wheel carrier. Then drive the rod out towards the rear. Lube the contact poins and whole rod with lithium or synthetic grease so it'll move smoothly without squeaking.
I'd plan on replacing the lower A and that upper arm. Get those parts in advance and it might be a three-hour operation.
While it's apart check the ears on the cradle from cracks. I'd accept a slight bend but no cracks. The cradle and wheel carrier are pretty stout so I don't expect those to be damaged.
Tips: Remove the nut at the front of the long rod that connects the lower arm to the wheel carrier. Then drive the rod out towards the rear. Lube the contact poins and whole rod with lithium or synthetic grease so it'll move smoothly without squeaking.
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its a good chance the lower shock pin is also bent ,
The only way to check, is to roll the pin on a flat surface, a used one will work ,
dont try to straighten yours.
If the lower control arm is bent at the blade then its compromised,
best to fit a new used unit,
and also consider replacing the inner connecting bushings that connect to the rear crossmember,
if these are worn then when the car is shifted at full throttle the rear end will move sideways, they can be done out of the car and you will notice a difference
The only way to check, is to roll the pin on a flat surface, a used one will work ,
dont try to straighten yours.
If the lower control arm is bent at the blade then its compromised,
best to fit a new used unit,
and also consider replacing the inner connecting bushings that connect to the rear crossmember,
if these are worn then when the car is shifted at full throttle the rear end will move sideways, they can be done out of the car and you will notice a difference
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George,
If your going to work on your car, you should get a copy of the Porsche work shop manual (WSM). It details the complete suspension assemblies. Best to get the WSM on the Morehouse CDs.
Buy used parts when available from eBay or 928 International. You need to replace the lower control arm which is shown in your photo to be bent. It's not repairable. These lower control arms are easily replaced with the car only on two jack stands placed on the side rear jacking points. Jack from the front side jacking points or from the rear center jacking point.
The pivot pin that Mrmerlin is referring to is likely undamaged and reusuable. The rear sway bar link on the damaged side is likely bent, and if so, should be replaced.
If your going to work on your car, you should get a copy of the Porsche work shop manual (WSM). It details the complete suspension assemblies. Best to get the WSM on the Morehouse CDs.
Buy used parts when available from eBay or 928 International. You need to replace the lower control arm which is shown in your photo to be bent. It's not repairable. These lower control arms are easily replaced with the car only on two jack stands placed on the side rear jacking points. Jack from the front side jacking points or from the rear center jacking point.
The pivot pin that Mrmerlin is referring to is likely undamaged and reusuable. The rear sway bar link on the damaged side is likely bent, and if so, should be replaced.
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George,
If your going to work on your car, you should get a copy of the Porsche work shop manual (WSM). It details the complete suspension assemblies. Best to get the WSM on the Morehouse CDs.
Buy used parts when available from eBay or 928 International. You need to replace the lower control arm which is shown in your photo to be bent. It's not repairable. These lower control arms are easily replaced with the car only on two jack stands placed on the side rear jacking points. Jack from the front side jacking points or from the rear center jacking point.
The pivot pin that Mrmerlin is referring to is likely undamaged and reusuable. The rear sway bar link on the damaged side is likely bent, and if so, should be replaced.
If your going to work on your car, you should get a copy of the Porsche work shop manual (WSM). It details the complete suspension assemblies. Best to get the WSM on the Morehouse CDs.
Buy used parts when available from eBay or 928 International. You need to replace the lower control arm which is shown in your photo to be bent. It's not repairable. These lower control arms are easily replaced with the car only on two jack stands placed on the side rear jacking points. Jack from the front side jacking points or from the rear center jacking point.
The pivot pin that Mrmerlin is referring to is likely undamaged and reusuable. The rear sway bar link on the damaged side is likely bent, and if so, should be replaced.
I like the tip about how to take things apart. I am waiting till I am back in SC to order the lift bars from Roger? 928rus.
If I can avoid making the parts car unable to be moved that would be a plus in my eyes.
ALSO the rims in this car are no longer made so I will have Three with tires to get out of my way. I will either use the ones from the parts car or get some new ones that are correct for the car.
Thanks as always for the input.
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Where did you hear that those wheels are no longer available? If that really is the case, keep your eyes open on, they pop up on ebay all the time.