New 928 Rumors
11-22-2009, 07:14 PM
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Keep this in mind too...
928 was the "Flagship" and that is what this 2 door if built will be again.
It WON'T be called "928" OR "2 door Panamera"...maybe "Panamera Coupe".
It will make AT LEAST 600HP.
It will cost AT LEAST $200k...
It will be designed to compete with Ferrari's top model (now the 599...who knows in 2012).
This is all of the info that I have read from many different sources and exactly what logic would suggest.
928 was the "Flagship" and that is what this 2 door if built will be again.
It WON'T be called "928" OR "2 door Panamera"...maybe "Panamera Coupe".
It will make AT LEAST 600HP.
It will cost AT LEAST $200k...
It will be designed to compete with Ferrari's top model (now the 599...who knows in 2012).
This is all of the info that I have read from many different sources and exactly what logic would suggest.
11-23-2009, 12:06 AM
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Maybe I'am missing something. Please explaine why Porsche would never name a successor to the 928, 928 S6 or something like that. They have been producing the 911 for 40 years, and have given the later models numbered names. What is so taboo about the 928 name designation? Or is this a best guess by people that really don't know for sure? I'am not trying to stir up the pot, I would very much like to know.
11-23-2009, 12:31 AM
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There are a number of reasons:
1. Porsche does not want to remind people of a car that many did not perceive as a true Porsche.
2. Porsche does not want to be reminded of the car that was supposed to save the company but almost bankrupted it.
3. Porsche uses different codes for each new model. 928 is already taken.
4. Porsche no longer advertises three digit model numbers. All newer cars have names such as Boxster, Cayman, Carrera, Turbo, GT3, Cayenne, Panamera, Carrera GT - of most of those the numbers are not well known even in the community. Or can you name the internal number for the Panamera?
5. Names are easier to trade mark than numbers.
6. The Carrera is the only car still called by a three-digit number because that's what the previous models were called, and by which they are known within the community. As I said, Porsche never advertises them as 911 anymore.
Whatever the new model will be, it will be different - very different - from a 928, and the name should and will reflect that. Trust me.
1. Porsche does not want to remind people of a car that many did not perceive as a true Porsche.
2. Porsche does not want to be reminded of the car that was supposed to save the company but almost bankrupted it.
3. Porsche uses different codes for each new model. 928 is already taken.
4. Porsche no longer advertises three digit model numbers. All newer cars have names such as Boxster, Cayman, Carrera, Turbo, GT3, Cayenne, Panamera, Carrera GT - of most of those the numbers are not well known even in the community. Or can you name the internal number for the Panamera?
5. Names are easier to trade mark than numbers.
6. The Carrera is the only car still called by a three-digit number because that's what the previous models were called, and by which they are known within the community. As I said, Porsche never advertises them as 911 anymore.
Whatever the new model will be, it will be different - very different - from a 928, and the name should and will reflect that. Trust me.
11-23-2009, 04:42 AM
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I just got a 911 Turbo engine paperweight from Porsche. It is called a 911 Turbo on the box and throughout the sales piece.
However, I don't think Porsche will call a new model by a number. I don't what name they would come up with but IF they do a Panamera coupe, it would be called something besides Panamera Coupe. Probably after some region or town famous for Endurance or GT racing like the Targa Floria.
However, I don't think Porsche will call a new model by a number. I don't what name they would come up with but IF they do a Panamera coupe, it would be called something besides Panamera Coupe. Probably after some region or town famous for Endurance or GT racing like the Targa Floria.
11-23-2009, 05:00 AM
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Oh, that's interesting! I haven't noticed that in a long time... But now that you say that, there are a few Porsche Selection items that clearly say "911". So I stand corrected on that part of my earlier post.
That does not change the fact that Porsche hasn't used any numbers for official names of new models in a long time. The numbers we hear are internal project and later the beginning of part numbers, which are never used twice for different models.
That does not change the fact that Porsche hasn't used any numbers for official names of new models in a long time. The numbers we hear are internal project and later the beginning of part numbers, which are never used twice for different models.
11-23-2009, 07:29 AM
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I took a tour and lunch at the Leipzig plant last weekend... I saw a few experimental cars, but nothing like a two door Panamera. Although, if it were planned to be produced and in a pilot hall, it may have been difficult for me to see.
On a somewhat related note, after seeing what goes into making a Panamera, I have a lot more respect for them...
On a somewhat related note, after seeing what goes into making a Panamera, I have a lot more respect for them...
11-23-2009, 09:37 AM
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Porsche has gotten away from using numbers for their cars. As Nicole said, because it's easier to market the cars, especially with so many different models compared with in the past. This started with the Boxster(986) back in 1999 & has continued with every new model that has come out as Nicole listed.
The guys at Brumos also said that after the Sept.11th disaster, that Porsche decided they wanted to use "911" as little as possible in marketing that particular car. This to prevent any possible negative backlash with potential association with what a consumer might think when hearing or seeing an ad calling the car "911". Especially when viewed by a potential buyer who was new to Porsche. However, Porsche knows that is their trademark marque & it's impossible to completely stop using it, especially with the 911 purists who think its the only model Porsche should make. I believe if you buy a Carrera, you have to specifically order it with the 911 numbering on it, otherwise you will not see it on the car anywhere.
They also said expect the two door Panomera to be called the Panomera Coupe. It will be marketed simply as a sportier two door version of the car, be expected to compete with the Aston Martins, Mercedes, & Ferraris, & they said price will be no more than the $150s. Remember, on the Porsche USA web site they show the 3 models of the four door Panomera base prices at $89,800; $93,800; & $132,600. I doubt they'd double the price just for a two door version & expect to sell very many of them.
The guys at Brumos also said that after the Sept.11th disaster, that Porsche decided they wanted to use "911" as little as possible in marketing that particular car. This to prevent any possible negative backlash with potential association with what a consumer might think when hearing or seeing an ad calling the car "911". Especially when viewed by a potential buyer who was new to Porsche. However, Porsche knows that is their trademark marque & it's impossible to completely stop using it, especially with the 911 purists who think its the only model Porsche should make. I believe if you buy a Carrera, you have to specifically order it with the 911 numbering on it, otherwise you will not see it on the car anywhere.
They also said expect the two door Panomera to be called the Panomera Coupe. It will be marketed simply as a sportier two door version of the car, be expected to compete with the Aston Martins, Mercedes, & Ferraris, & they said price will be no more than the $150s. Remember, on the Porsche USA web site they show the 3 models of the four door Panomera base prices at $89,800; $93,800; & $132,600. I doubt they'd double the price just for a two door version & expect to sell very many of them.
11-23-2009, 10:47 AM
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I may be in the minority, but I hope VW / Audi kills the coupe idea.
Then again, having a coupe and killing the 4-door makes more sense. Audi already has enough flagship 4-door's to sell.
Same reason why the Boxster isn't called the 914 or 944.
Porsche was so "embarrassed" by their front engine 70's & 80's models they dropped the 944 name before the platform was complete. I'm a bit surprised the 928GTS wasn't given a new model name. I'm guessing they had a huge stockpile of door sill plates and rear badges to use up......
I don't care how awesome the new coupe is. Calling it a 928 would be a disservice to our cars.
Then again, having a coupe and killing the 4-door makes more sense. Audi already has enough flagship 4-door's to sell.
Maybe I'am missing something. Please explaine why Porsche would never name a successor to the 928, 928 S6 or something like that. They have been producing the 911 for 40 years, and have given the later models numbered names. What is so taboo about the 928 name designation? Or is this a best guess by people that really don't know for sure? I'am not trying to stir up the pot, I would very much like to know.
Porsche was so "embarrassed" by their front engine 70's & 80's models they dropped the 944 name before the platform was complete. I'm a bit surprised the 928GTS wasn't given a new model name. I'm guessing they had a huge stockpile of door sill plates and rear badges to use up......
I don't care how awesome the new coupe is. Calling it a 928 would be a disservice to our cars.
11-23-2009, 12:28 PM
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Porsche has gotten away from using numbers for their cars. As Nicole said, because it's easier to market the cars, especially with so many different models compared with in the past. This started with the Boxster(986) back in 1999 & has continued with every new model that has come out as Nicole listed.
The guys at Brumos also said that after the Sept.11th disaster, that Porsche decided they wanted to use "911" as little as possible in marketing that particular car. This to prevent any possible negative backlash with potential association with what a consumer might think when hearing or seeing an ad calling the car "911". Especially when viewed by a potential buyer who was new to Porsche. However, Porsche knows that is their trademark marque & it's impossible to completely stop using it, especially with the 911 purists who think its the only model Porsche should make. I believe if you buy a Carrera, you have to specifically order it with the 911 numbering on it, otherwise you will not see it on the car anywhere.
They also said expect the two door Panomera to be called the Panomera Coupe. It will be marketed simply as a sportier two door version of the car, be expected to compete with the Aston Martins, Mercedes, & Ferraris, & they said price will be no more than the $150s. Remember, on the Porsche USA web site they show the 3 models of the four door Panomera base prices at $89,800; $93,800; & $132,600. I doubt they'd double the price just for a two door version & expect to sell very many of them.
The guys at Brumos also said that after the Sept.11th disaster, that Porsche decided they wanted to use "911" as little as possible in marketing that particular car. This to prevent any possible negative backlash with potential association with what a consumer might think when hearing or seeing an ad calling the car "911". Especially when viewed by a potential buyer who was new to Porsche. However, Porsche knows that is their trademark marque & it's impossible to completely stop using it, especially with the 911 purists who think its the only model Porsche should make. I believe if you buy a Carrera, you have to specifically order it with the 911 numbering on it, otherwise you will not see it on the car anywhere.
They also said expect the two door Panomera to be called the Panomera Coupe. It will be marketed simply as a sportier two door version of the car, be expected to compete with the Aston Martins, Mercedes, & Ferraris, & they said price will be no more than the $150s. Remember, on the Porsche USA web site they show the 3 models of the four door Panomera base prices at $89,800; $93,800; & $132,600. I doubt they'd double the price just for a two door version & expect to sell very many of them.
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11-23-2009, 12:38 PM
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Mel and Eric,
I hope you guys are right. I would love to see a Ferrari beater at $150k... BUT, if the car is supposed to be the flagship model (which it would need to be if it were to be a "replacement" for the 928) then the car would have to be priced closer to or above the GT2 and that would put it in the $200k range. Also if you realistically want to go up against the DB9 and 599 you are looking at $250k as the price.
Maybe that is not the target market, but I had read in a few places over a year ago that would be the target. Hope they came to their senses and instead put the car at par with the 911 Turbo (ie. $150k ish) and sell it there. I think that would be a reasonable place/price for a new 2 door front engine Porsche.
I hope you guys are right. I would love to see a Ferrari beater at $150k... BUT, if the car is supposed to be the flagship model (which it would need to be if it were to be a "replacement" for the 928) then the car would have to be priced closer to or above the GT2 and that would put it in the $200k range. Also if you realistically want to go up against the DB9 and 599 you are looking at $250k as the price.
Maybe that is not the target market, but I had read in a few places over a year ago that would be the target. Hope they came to their senses and instead put the car at par with the 911 Turbo (ie. $150k ish) and sell it there. I think that would be a reasonable place/price for a new 2 door front engine Porsche.
11-23-2009, 01:21 PM
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Mel and Eric,
I hope you guys are right. I would love to see a Ferrari beater at $150k... BUT, if the car is supposed to be the flagship model (which it would need to be if it were to be a "replacement" for the 928) then the car would have to be priced closer to or above the GT2 and that would put it in the $200k range. Also if you realistically want to go up against the DB9 and 599 you are looking at $250k as the price.
Maybe that is not the target market, but I had read in a few places over a year ago that would be the target. Hope they came to their senses and instead put the car at par with the 911 Turbo (ie. $150k ish) and sell it there. I think that would be a reasonable place/price for a new 2 door front engine Porsche.
I hope you guys are right. I would love to see a Ferrari beater at $150k... BUT, if the car is supposed to be the flagship model (which it would need to be if it were to be a "replacement" for the 928) then the car would have to be priced closer to or above the GT2 and that would put it in the $200k range. Also if you realistically want to go up against the DB9 and 599 you are looking at $250k as the price.
Maybe that is not the target market, but I had read in a few places over a year ago that would be the target. Hope they came to their senses and instead put the car at par with the 911 Turbo (ie. $150k ish) and sell it there. I think that would be a reasonable place/price for a new 2 door front engine Porsche.
I really hope so too. I have been a huge 928 fan since I was a kid. If Porsche makes it and keeps the price under 150K they will sell alot and if they can make a car compete with the 599/DBS/DB9.
11-24-2009, 01:08 PM
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They've been talking about this for the last 3 years.
@......http://www.caranddriver.com/news/car...e_928-car_news
@......http://www.caranddriver.com/news/car...e_928-car_news
11-24-2009, 05:13 PM
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Think about it: VW announced a new (smaller and lighter) Touareg for 2010. That tells you there will be a new Cayenne around the same time (since they share the basic bodies). That one will be assembled in Leipzig again, which is a much more pressing issue right now than a Panamera derivative that will not see the light of day for another 3-4 years.
Maybe in a year or so, we'll see Panamera coupe or convertible prototypes in and around Weissach. You'll see spy shots on the web as soon as those things exist.