LACL- 1985 5 Speed Euro
10-22-2009, 01:39 AM
#16
Race Director
Full Paul Champagne interior...thats worth $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ alone....imagine what it smells like....it must be amazing...
Yes it is a "high" price for a "euro"...but a quite stunning example...
Yes it is a "high" price for a "euro"...but a quite stunning example...
11-02-2009, 10:30 AM
#17
Rennlist Member
The real deal
Just bumpin' for a nice 928.
Had the pleasure of speaking with the owner in great length about the car last week. This car is definitely a "no surprises" car. I would buy this car sight unseen if I had enough cash available.
I let the seller know his price at $15K will challenge the market. I've been following prices on Euro/ROW for sale in the US for some time. To my recollection, I've never seen one sell for $15K.
If one were to hit that mark, this is the one.
Would love to have that one in my driveway. I would trade up with Chewy if I could get anything better that peanuts for him (in this market).
No affiliation, just infatuation.
Had the pleasure of speaking with the owner in great length about the car last week. This car is definitely a "no surprises" car. I would buy this car sight unseen if I had enough cash available.
I let the seller know his price at $15K will challenge the market. I've been following prices on Euro/ROW for sale in the US for some time. To my recollection, I've never seen one sell for $15K.
If one were to hit that mark, this is the one.
Would love to have that one in my driveway. I would trade up with Chewy if I could get anything better that peanuts for him (in this market).
No affiliation, just infatuation.
11-02-2009, 11:12 AM
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I just watched a 1990 GT hitting only 7000 euros on ebay.de (that's roughly 10.300 $) . Of course the reserve was higher. And since generally speaking the market is a bit higher in Europe, my guess is that's rather hard to get 15k $ for this car, even if the overall condition seems very good and the interior color combination is special.
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11-03-2009, 10:42 PM
#19
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CL expired...did he sell it? Very nice...what all was done with the car?
11-03-2009, 10:47 PM
#20
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It does look nicer than my 85 Euro S 5 spd, but so does your Euro Michael. 
This is the second 85/86 put up for sale recently at top dollar, $15k for this one, and $12k for a US 86 AT, where the owner has replaced interior etc. As much as I personally like these models, and recognized the value of a nice car vs a project, the price seriously pushes the envelope for an older car. I'm curious to see how both of them do.
Link to the 86 AT
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=270472132973
This is the second 85/86 put up for sale recently at top dollar, $15k for this one, and $12k for a US 86 AT, where the owner has replaced interior etc. As much as I personally like these models, and recognized the value of a nice car vs a project, the price seriously pushes the envelope for an older car. I'm curious to see how both of them do.
Link to the 86 AT
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=270472132973
we all know the $2k buy, $10k fix , $5k value rule... but I would do that car in heartbeat to avoid all the work he has done!
11-03-2009, 10:51 PM
#22
Nordschleife Master
Thread Starter
His name/email is Paul Coleman [pbcole@sbcglobal.net] if anyone cares to know.
11-04-2009, 02:52 AM
#23
Nordschleife Master
Having looked into it pretty well, I don't see on balance a good reason for a Euro 84 to 86 to sell for any more than a similar condition US 85 to 86.5. Differences, each has plus and minus points, but all things considered I see it as a push, personal preference and situation making one slightly more desirable than the other.
Exceptional cars often sell for exceptional prices, but awfully nice Euros and US models have sold for half or less than the asking prices on these cars.
Still makes me real curious about what happens to them. Anybody have more info on the Dallas car like VIN etc? Most of the 86 Euros I have seen in the US have turned out to be the low compression smog special 32v cars.
Exceptional cars often sell for exceptional prices, but awfully nice Euros and US models have sold for half or less than the asking prices on these cars.
Still makes me real curious about what happens to them. Anybody have more info on the Dallas car like VIN etc? Most of the 86 Euros I have seen in the US have turned out to be the low compression smog special 32v cars.
11-04-2009, 12:30 PM
#24
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Well isn't the idea of having a higher performance engine with the easier to maintain 16ver the primary advantage?
11-04-2009, 12:30 PM
#25
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if i was closer I would be serioulsy tempted...
11-04-2009, 02:44 PM
#26
Nordschleife Master
Being a Euro has some cache, I know I like owning something a bit more exotic and rare, so I say 85 Euro with a touch of pride.
Euro cars can be registration or smog nightmares. When imported and federalized each shop altered the factory system with their own flavor of making an O2 sensor work, some good, some bad, none I have seen with any kind of documentation on how to fix them or even bypass them. Tuning and troubleshooting problems may be a real headache as one of kind smog parts start to fail.
I like the original spider style intake, and the less crowded engine bay.
I think the US 32v may have a slight edge in performance over the federalized Euro 16v. Euro as delivered vs bone stock US, edge to the Euro, but in practice anybody that cares about performance is going to make upgrades to the exhaust etc. and depending on what is done either can have a performance edge, ultimately the 32v, but a sweet spot is a hot cam Euro hybrid motor which offers a lot of bang per buck.
The higher ratio Euro gearing, 2600 rpm at 65 mph, may annoy as many as it excites, so personal preference item.
Both models often show up at bargain prices, because both present problems not found in other model years, and need a bit of special attention. Lower price is a substantial part of there appeal, which is why I have my doubts about premium prices even on special cars. When prices are well into GT, or even S4 territory, I figure most are going to start thinking about those models instead.
11-04-2009, 02:51 PM
#27
I think it's a good deal if the service is documented and it's a turn-key car. Here you have a beautiful 16v car that will run with a GT for less-than-GT money, and the interior is nicer than 95% of the cars out there. Personally it's my ultimate 928 since I'm a big fan of the earlier body style and the 16v engine. I wouldn't even consider an S4/GT over this one and I'm not alone...but probably in the minority. I hope he gets the money. FWIW I have more than his asking price in my own car and his is faster. Doh!
11-04-2009, 03:04 PM
#28
Nordschleife Master
Thread Starter
Here is the history doc he sent a few weeks ago.
11-04-2009, 03:27 PM
#29
Nordschleife Master
Michael, doc is for the CL LA car? Vin WP0ZZZ92ZFS841821
Seller is in for bad news, it has no Calif smog test history, and with the zzz vin it will be directed to a smog referee station and so far NONE have passed.
Timing belt changed in 2000, not clear whats been done since new owner bought it.
Seller is in for bad news, it has no Calif smog test history, and with the zzz vin it will be directed to a smog referee station and so far NONE have passed.
Timing belt changed in 2000, not clear whats been done since new owner bought it.
11-04-2009, 03:28 PM
#30
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I see the cars as more alike than different, but here are a few of the pluses and minuses I see.
Being a Euro has some cache, I know I like owning something a bit more exotic and rare, so I say 85 Euro with a touch of pride.
Euro cars can be registration or smog nightmares. When imported and federalized each shop altered the factory system with their own flavor of making an O2 sensor work, some good, some bad, none I have seen with any kind of documentation on how to fix them or even bypass them. Tuning and troubleshooting problems may be a real headache as one of kind smog parts start to fail.
I like the original spider style intake, and the less crowded engine bay.
I think the US 32v may have a slight edge in performance over the federalized Euro 16v. Euro as delivered vs bone stock US, edge to the Euro, but in practice anybody that cares about performance is going to make upgrades to the exhaust etc. and depending on what is done either can have a performance edge, ultimately the 32v, but a sweet spot is a hot cam Euro hybrid motor which offers a lot of bang per buck.
The higher ratio Euro gearing, 2600 rpm at 65 mph, may annoy as many as it excites, so personal preference item.
Both models often show up at bargain prices, because both present problems not found in other model years, and need a bit of special attention. Lower price is a substantial part of there appeal, which is why I have my doubts about premium prices even on special cars. When prices are well into GT, or even S4 territory, I figure most are going to start thinking about those models instead.
Being a Euro has some cache, I know I like owning something a bit more exotic and rare, so I say 85 Euro with a touch of pride.
Euro cars can be registration or smog nightmares. When imported and federalized each shop altered the factory system with their own flavor of making an O2 sensor work, some good, some bad, none I have seen with any kind of documentation on how to fix them or even bypass them. Tuning and troubleshooting problems may be a real headache as one of kind smog parts start to fail.
I like the original spider style intake, and the less crowded engine bay.
I think the US 32v may have a slight edge in performance over the federalized Euro 16v. Euro as delivered vs bone stock US, edge to the Euro, but in practice anybody that cares about performance is going to make upgrades to the exhaust etc. and depending on what is done either can have a performance edge, ultimately the 32v, but a sweet spot is a hot cam Euro hybrid motor which offers a lot of bang per buck.
The higher ratio Euro gearing, 2600 rpm at 65 mph, may annoy as many as it excites, so personal preference item.
Both models often show up at bargain prices, because both present problems not found in other model years, and need a bit of special attention. Lower price is a substantial part of there appeal, which is why I have my doubts about premium prices even on special cars. When prices are well into GT, or even S4 territory, I figure most are going to start thinking about those models instead.