Official "SharkPlotter" thread
09-26-2009, 10:51 AM
#31
Rennlist Member
Dan,
You should be able to do this with no problem. First of all select all the cells by pressing the button in the top left corner [outside the matrix of values] and then then press "Control C". To paste into the other map area you simply click the cursor on the top left value cell of the matrix and then "Control V". It should then paste in no problem. Works fine for me on both Sharktuner 2 and Sharkplotter in either direction.
Regards
Fred
You should be able to do this with no problem. First of all select all the cells by pressing the button in the top left corner [outside the matrix of values] and then then press "Control C". To paste into the other map area you simply click the cursor on the top left value cell of the matrix and then "Control V". It should then paste in no problem. Works fine for me on both Sharktuner 2 and Sharkplotter in either direction.
Regards
Fred
09-26-2009, 11:52 AM
#32
Race Car
Dan,
You should be able to do this with no problem. First of all select all the cells by pressing the button in the top left corner [outside the matrix of values] and then then press "Control C". To paste into the other map area you simply click the cursor on the top left value cell of the matrix and then "Control V". It should then paste in no problem. Works fine for me on both Sharktuner 2 and Sharkplotter in either direction.
Regards
Fred
You should be able to do this with no problem. First of all select all the cells by pressing the button in the top left corner [outside the matrix of values] and then then press "Control C". To paste into the other map area you simply click the cursor on the top left value cell of the matrix and then "Control V". It should then paste in no problem. Works fine for me on both Sharktuner 2 and Sharkplotter in either direction.
Regards
Fred
Dan
'91 928GT S/C
475hp/460lb.ft
09-26-2009, 12:05 PM
#33
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
Jim,
Still having some issues with calculating the EZ correction factors. Individual cells with calculate but not the entire matrix. It will also calculate individual selected cell values but if you move the cursor to another cell, the calculated adjustment for the previous cell is wiped out. If I then save the calculated file, close sharkplotter and then open it again the "saved" value is not there and it reverts to the base map only. For the time being I calculate the cells I wan to correct and then trasnfer the correction to worksheet in Excel.
Has anyone else experienced anything similar to date or am I just the lucky one? I did a bit more ignition tuning this week and took it for a blast this afternoon. The engine feels noticeably much more livelier now.
I am trying to get the data log in Sharkplotter such that every higher load range cell has at least one point that is showing some sign of knock retard within the constrained limits specified.
Regards
Fred
Still having some issues with calculating the EZ correction factors. Individual cells with calculate but not the entire matrix. It will also calculate individual selected cell values but if you move the cursor to another cell, the calculated adjustment for the previous cell is wiped out. If I then save the calculated file, close sharkplotter and then open it again the "saved" value is not there and it reverts to the base map only. For the time being I calculate the cells I wan to correct and then trasnfer the correction to worksheet in Excel.
Has anyone else experienced anything similar to date or am I just the lucky one? I did a bit more ignition tuning this week and took it for a blast this afternoon. The engine feels noticeably much more livelier now.
I am trying to get the data log in Sharkplotter such that every higher load range cell has at least one point that is showing some sign of knock retard within the constrained limits specified.
Regards
Fred
SP needs to reset the adjustments prior to recomputing, should only be done for the selected cell(s) but it looks like it is resetting all cells. For the EZK I generally let SP adjust the entire map (i.e. without any specific cells selected) so I missed that, I will fix that and update this thread.
I am not sure I understand the whole-matrix question. SP only retards timing for cells that show excessive knock-retards, it won't add advance-- because it has no way to know how much can be added. But if you don't select any specific cells (ESC key will clear selection) then it should check all cells, and adjust those that show exessive knock-retard.
Cheers, Jim
09-26-2009, 12:17 PM
#34
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
I guess this question is also important for SharkPlotter use. Has anyone had problems trying to paste an entire map of values into the SharkTuner? I was trying to copy the whole cat fuel map to the non-cat fuel map by clicking the top-left gray cell and pressing Ctrl-C, then selecting the top-left gray cell of the other map and pressing Ctrl-V. I think the SharkTuner gave me an error message dialog saying to select one cell or something.
Dan
'91 928GT S/C 475hp/460lb.ft
Dan
'91 928GT S/C
475hp/460lb.ftFor ST you click the top-left gray (border) cell of the source map to select all cells, then press Ctrl-C to copy the entire map, then select the top-left white data-cell (not the border) of the destination-map and press Ctrl-V.
I think the edit menu will work also, the key is selecting the top-left data (value) cell rather than the border, for the destination map. (SP will accept either, select top-left data-cell in the destination map or click the top-left border to select all cells).
Cheers, Jim
09-27-2009, 02:18 AM
#36
Rennlist Member
Jim,
For some reason, when I ask sharkplotter to calculate adjustments for the EZK map it only seems to work on one [randon?] cell at the moment whereas initially, it would calculate the "entire field". If I select a specific cell, it will calculate it, but if I select another cell, the previously calculated adjustment value dissappears. When I try to save the adjustment that has been made and then close Sharkplotter, the adjusted value is not there when I re-open the file. Perhaps something has been corrupted my end and I need to reload the software package [easy to do].
Regards
Fred
For some reason, when I ask sharkplotter to calculate adjustments for the EZK map it only seems to work on one [randon?] cell at the moment whereas initially, it would calculate the "entire field". If I select a specific cell, it will calculate it, but if I select another cell, the previously calculated adjustment value dissappears. When I try to save the adjustment that has been made and then close Sharkplotter, the adjusted value is not there when I re-open the file. Perhaps something has been corrupted my end and I need to reload the software package [easy to do].
Regards
Fred
09-27-2009, 02:34 AM
#37
Rennlist Member
Trust me, if I can propose a solution in the software field it must be something silly because there is no logic or expertise supporting my grey matter!
Regards
Fred
09-30-2009, 02:17 AM
#38
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
An update for SharkPlotter is available, ver 1.1.014. If internet is available to the SharkTuner computer then start SharkPlotter, select Help menu, "Check for updates". This opens a new window which will check with the server (www.sharkplotter.com) and download and install any new files.
If no internet is available for that computer then browse to www.sharkplotter.com with another computer and scroll down that page to "Downloads" and save a copy of the install program, then transfer that to the SharkTuner computer and run it to install the update. (The registration info is remembered and shouldn't need to be re-entered).
Changes include:
A "SuperMAF" option is available on the display options (Display-settings button or Tools menu, Options, Display tab, under "Plot Scales"). This changes the MAF-load scale on the LH plot to that used for the JDS superMAF.
A new Auto-Scale option is added ("Auto-adjust" on the "Plot Scales" panel above), this sets the max RPM and load according to the data files. This is normally selected, if un-checked then scales can be set manually as before.
The SuperMAF and scaling settings (Autoscale or min/max) are now saved separately for each project, this should help avoid confusion when working on different cars.
I also fixed the EZK-adjust selection issue that Fred identified above. The EZK-adjust window (from Tools menu) also now has a selection for "entire map" or "selected cells" (same as LH-adjust window).
I also found a problem with the project-management window, an updated EZK map was not being loaded when a session was re-opened. That is now fixed, and I also added a new "Include adjustments" (checked by default) to control whether updated maps, or the original maps, are used.
SharkPlotter was also sometimes running the CPU at 100% for no reason (monitoring for folder updates), that is fixed.
I also fixed a glitch with the installer where the reg-code wasn't being saved, causing SharkPlotter to ask again when it was first started.
As always, let me know of any questions, suggestions or problems, and Happy Tuning!
If no internet is available for that computer then browse to www.sharkplotter.com with another computer and scroll down that page to "Downloads" and save a copy of the install program, then transfer that to the SharkTuner computer and run it to install the update. (The registration info is remembered and shouldn't need to be re-entered).
Changes include:
A "SuperMAF" option is available on the display options (Display-settings button or Tools menu, Options, Display tab, under "Plot Scales"). This changes the MAF-load scale on the LH plot to that used for the JDS superMAF.
A new Auto-Scale option is added ("Auto-adjust" on the "Plot Scales" panel above), this sets the max RPM and load according to the data files. This is normally selected, if un-checked then scales can be set manually as before.
The SuperMAF and scaling settings (Autoscale or min/max) are now saved separately for each project, this should help avoid confusion when working on different cars.
I also fixed the EZK-adjust selection issue that Fred identified above. The EZK-adjust window (from Tools menu) also now has a selection for "entire map" or "selected cells" (same as LH-adjust window).
I also found a problem with the project-management window, an updated EZK map was not being loaded when a session was re-opened. That is now fixed, and I also added a new "Include adjustments" (checked by default) to control whether updated maps, or the original maps, are used.
SharkPlotter was also sometimes running the CPU at 100% for no reason (monitoring for folder updates), that is fixed.
I also fixed a glitch with the installer where the reg-code wasn't being saved, causing SharkPlotter to ask again when it was first started.
As always, let me know of any questions, suggestions or problems, and Happy Tuning!
10-01-2009, 12:41 AM
#43
Three Wheelin'
Couple more observations:
1. My car, when "warmed up" by running 20 minutes or so, runs great. When completely heat soaked, say after 45 minutes / 1hr, less so. The car really leans out once it's good and warm. Is this common? What do I tune for--the 20 minute trip, or the road trip?
2. The car likes to run on the open loop map after being sharktuned and sharkplotted, moreso than closed loop. How can John and Jim do a better job than the LH? I am reluctant to switch it back to closed loop, even though I know that's probably better.
3. The idle, open loop, can be rich once the car is semi warmed up (20 min or so) in the 12s or 13s then go really, really lean once it gets heat soaked (45 min). Idle in the 17s 18s. Car not so happy. What causes so much vagaries in the idle between warm and hot?
1. My car, when "warmed up" by running 20 minutes or so, runs great. When completely heat soaked, say after 45 minutes / 1hr, less so. The car really leans out once it's good and warm. Is this common? What do I tune for--the 20 minute trip, or the road trip?
2. The car likes to run on the open loop map after being sharktuned and sharkplotted, moreso than closed loop. How can John and Jim do a better job than the LH? I am reluctant to switch it back to closed loop, even though I know that's probably better.
3. The idle, open loop, can be rich once the car is semi warmed up (20 min or so) in the 12s or 13s then go really, really lean once it gets heat soaked (45 min). Idle in the 17s 18s. Car not so happy. What causes so much vagaries in the idle between warm and hot?
10-01-2009, 02:03 AM
#44
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
Couple more observations:
1. My car, when "warmed up" by running 20 minutes or so, runs great. When completely heat soaked, say after 45 minutes / 1hr, less so. The car really leans out once it's good and warm. Is this common? What do I tune for--the 20 minute trip, or the road trip?
1. My car, when "warmed up" by running 20 minutes or so, runs great. When completely heat soaked, say after 45 minutes / 1hr, less so. The car really leans out once it's good and warm. Is this common? What do I tune for--the 20 minute trip, or the road trip?
Is the aircon running? If so, then the fuel cooler should keep the fuel temps down.
If it is fuel temp then the effect would be greater/quicker with less fuel in the tank (i.e. accumulates more heat faster), and filling up (with cool fuel) should have an immediate effect.
10-01-2009, 02:34 AM
#45
Three Wheelin'
I think I should break down and have the injectors flow matched. As you may recall, I can't switch between the driver's bank and the passenger's bank with the NB plugged into the passenger side. If I tune on the driver's side, then replace with the NB, everything is okay. But the two sides run different mixtures. That can't be optimal. If I can eliminate that, then it's one less variable to try to chase down.
I do have the aircon on, but it's not like it's really hot here...70s? Maybe? And it's not under really difficult conditions, just regular driving around. But there's a definite difference between 20 and 40 minutes worth of mixed driving.
I am also inclined to set the cranking pulse width HIGHER at high temperatures, to partially offset the leaner conditions. This is somewhat counterintuitive, as I would have assumed that the higher the existing temperature. the less additive pulse width.
FWIW, even when it's ****ty, the shartuned idle is smoother than the stock fuel maps were. I'm really starting to pick nits here. But only because I want it absolutely perfect. I've come a long way but still have room to go.
I do have the aircon on, but it's not like it's really hot here...70s? Maybe? And it's not under really difficult conditions, just regular driving around. But there's a definite difference between 20 and 40 minutes worth of mixed driving.
I am also inclined to set the cranking pulse width HIGHER at high temperatures, to partially offset the leaner conditions. This is somewhat counterintuitive, as I would have assumed that the higher the existing temperature. the less additive pulse width.
FWIW, even when it's ****ty, the shartuned idle is smoother than the stock fuel maps were. I'm really starting to pick nits here. But only because I want it absolutely perfect. I've come a long way but still have room to go.