What can we do to help get Mark Kibort get back on the track again
09-09-2009, 06:10 PM
#64
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09-09-2009, 07:44 PM
#66
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09-10-2009, 02:47 PM
#67
Just a little perspective
No one likes to look at his destroyed race car...whether it's a Honda or a 928
09-10-2009, 02:57 PM
#68
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I would not wish this event on anyone. I dont even consider it a racing incident, even though it happened during a race. The poor guy was way over his head, and had no busness having a license, let alone allowed to run with the ITE crowd which is a bunch of serious racers. Im not mad at him, and didnt say anything to him other than asking if he was ok and responding to his applogy with "things happen". Im upset at SCCA for not so much the speed disparity, but the bar set for getting a license. He probably needed a few more years in DE before he started racing, and if he did, there is another class more appropriate for this type of stock underpowered car. we lap all the slow cars 1 time per race, some times 2, but 3-4 times a race is a little much.
I do think that he should not be allowed to race with us again, and be put in a more appropriate speed class. There has been no other car that struck me as being dangerous being out there but that one.
I do think that he should not be allowed to race with us again, and be put in a more appropriate speed class. There has been no other car that struck me as being dangerous being out there but that one.
I am pretty sure that the Honda driver is not a happy camper either...while a lot of people here making a big deal out of an unfortunate racing incident but a racing incident nevertheless, I would guess the owner of the damaged Honda is hurting too, physically and emotionally...
No one likes to look at his destroyed race car...whether it's a Honda or a 928
No one likes to look at his destroyed race car...whether it's a Honda or a 928
09-10-2009, 03:03 PM
#69
I would not wish this event on anyone. I dont even consider it a racing incident, even though it happened during a race. The poor guy was way over his head, and had no busness having a license, let alone allowed to run with the ITE crowd which is a bunch of serious racers. Im not mad at him, and didnt say anything to him other than asking if he was ok and responding to his applogy with "things happen". Im upset at SCCA for not so much the speed disparity, but the bar set for getting a license. He probably needed a few more years in DE before he started racing, and if he did, there is another class more appropriate for this type of stock underpowered car. we lap all the slow cars 1 time per race, some times 2, but 3-4 times a race is a little much.
I do think that he should not be allowed to race with us again, and be put in a more appropriate speed class. There has been no other car that struck me as being dangerous being out there but that one.
I do think that he should not be allowed to race with us again, and be put in a more appropriate speed class. There has been no other car that struck me as being dangerous being out there but that one.
Nevertheless, I don't see any reason to go find and lynch the guy
he is probably as unhappy with this whole ordeal as you.What were the results of your doctor visit yesterday? No broken ribs I hope??
09-10-2009, 03:14 PM
#70
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I need to get x rays tomorrow or on monday. the suspicision is that I have cracked or bruised ribs (old high school football coach term for the brusing of the outer membrane of the rib bones
) , or its just a muscle and connective element related injury. Either way, I cant put on socks or "other things", very easily.
they said to give it a couple more days.
Thanks for asking!
) , or its just a muscle and connective element related injury. Either way, I cant put on socks or "other things", very easily. they said to give it a couple more days.
Thanks for asking!
09-10-2009, 03:21 PM
#71
Interesting discussion...thinking back to when Ken and John were doing a SCCA event in Portland OR. They were running ITE and they were grouped with I believe GT-1 cars...the closing speeds of the GT 1 cars on the ITE cars were absolutely ridiculous!!! If an ITE driver was inattentive for even a second..there could have been serious consequences. Even with the good drivers..the speed disparity was huge..
09-10-2009, 04:12 PM
#72
Interesting discussion...thinking back to when Ken and John were doing a SCCA event in Portland OR. They were running ITE and they were grouped with I believe GT-1 cars...the closing speeds of the GT 1 cars on the ITE cars were absolutely ridiculous!!! If an ITE driver was inattentive for even a second..there could have been serious consequences. Even with the good drivers..the speed disparity was huge..
My choice was to stick with POC, their rungroups are quite evenly matched and the speed and lap time differentials are acceptable.
09-10-2009, 04:43 PM
#73
Problem with most 928's is that they are modified beyond what PCA and POC (don't know for sure on POC though) consider normal classes so they toss you in the faster unlimited group, same as ITE essentially. A stock 928 just wouldn't be much fun after a few runs in it's "PCA Group". Now if they allowed a few more modifications without forcing the move to unlimited..then it might be a viable venue.
09-10-2009, 05:23 PM
#74
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I think its really not about the speed differiential, but the quality of the drivers and licensing procedures. In SCCA, they do the race certification weekend and end up with a license. POC, the need to see some credentials or see you progress over time, from what I remember. go look at some of the last POC races where they combined orange and red groups. 30 seconds a lap is a bit much, but 20 seconds is common place. maybe they make that a rule at qualifying baring some type of equipment failure that is fixable, and give someone half their money back if they dont pass. I dont know what the answer is, but we had a 35 second differential in lap time this weekend with this guy, generally, 25 should be the most you should ever see, or 20 for the average top 10 cars. Again, I dont have the answer, and certainly never had a problem with this guy before, but when you lose control of a street car at 60mph when we are all going 100, its a HUGE problem, especially if those lapping cars are near you. It might just be one of those racing things we have to deal with and anticipate. Part of knowing the field I guess.
That always was a big concern for me, especially as a rookie...either being in a class where the heavy hitters come up on you so fast that you have to look in the mirrors more than out the windshield or trying to anticipate the possibly bonehead moves of an inexperienced driver in a slow car from a mile away closing on him at a rapid rate...
My choice was to stick with POC, their rungroups are quite evenly matched and the speed and lap time differentials are acceptable.
My choice was to stick with POC, their rungroups are quite evenly matched and the speed and lap time differentials are acceptable.
09-10-2009, 06:46 PM
#75
I think its really not about the speed differiential, but the quality of the drivers and licensing procedures. In SCCA, they do the race certification weekend and end up with a license. POC, the need to see some credentials or see you progress over time, from what I remember. go look at some of the last POC races where they combined orange and red groups. 30 seconds a lap is a bit much, but 20 seconds is common place. maybe they make that a rule at qualifying baring some type of equipment failure that is fixable, and give someone half their money back if they dont pass. I dont know what the answer is, but we had a 35 second differential in lap time this weekend with this guy, generally, 25 should be the most you should ever see, or 20 for the average top 10 cars. Again, I dont have the answer, and certainly never had a problem with this guy before, but when you lose control of a street car at 60mph when we are all going 100, its a HUGE problem, especially if those lapping cars are near you. It might just be one of those racing things we have to deal with and anticipate. Part of knowing the field I guess.
That's it right there...Choosing what environment to expose yourself and your equipment to.