sweet928

I have had two 911's. A 91 Targa and a 85 carerra. I have had an auto 87 S4 and a 5 speed 87 S4. Now after a 14 year hiatus, I chose to go OB 928 (79 5 speed). I loved them all in different ways. The 91 was more refined and faster, but the 85 had factory sport seats and that makes a huge difference IMHO. But the 928, especially in a 5 speed, was perfection. The OB that I just picked up -- with headers, Borla, S4 brakes, Cross drilled rotors, short shifterand lowered -- is all the fun and 1/2 the price --from all the above options. The bummer is my favorite model are not appreciated by the broader market, but luckily for me, it makes ownership incredibly affordable. Name one other world class marque that is as rare , advanced and affordable. Hands down it is the 928 for me!

Kevin Michael

I LOVE driving my 911's! They are awesome. The feeling that a 911 handles better is a myth. The 911 handles very good .The 911 feels, I repeat feels like it handles better but it doesn't. But I do like that feel. My stock 5 spd.928 (87)could outrun my 930 at any speed, but it was more fun in the turbo! The 928 is and was a sports car - Porsche said so not me ,although I agree.

pmooradian

I have a '95 993 C4 Cab. Love it because it's a drop top. Fun car, love the open air, it's an absolute blast to drive in the rain because of the all wheel drive! Kind of tinny and nowhere near as solid as a 928. Hard to believe they were built by the same company.

That being said, I have owned 10 928s from an early '78 to a '93 GTS. Still have 4 of them.

I still find myself driving the 911 more often than not.

cobalt

I would have to argue that one. My 964's even in stock form are far more maneuverable and handle far better than my GTS even with its upgraded suspension. Turn in on the 928 is slow in comparison and there is no way other than dropping 500 pounds to get these cars to come close to what a 911 can do. You also have to work much harder to get it to do the same things.

A 911 driven properly can do somethings many cars cannot although it takes a lot of talent and experience to get to that level. Not that the GTS isn't close on its tail but the 911 would still win hands down and there is no way the GTS could shift lanes or work through obstacles the way a 911 does unless it is extensively modified or lightened. The fact that your 87 5 speed could outrun your 930 is also something I find hard to believe. The US version 930 stock was not that fast compared to today's cars but even my 80 euro 5 speed was slower than a 930 especially once moving. My 964 is about as fast as a 930 to 60 but slower to 100 and above and the C2 is on par with my GTS for acceleration. 0-60 the C2 is slightly faster but once moving the GTS has the edge but not as much as a well running 930.

These are different cars and have different attributes. A 928 no matter what everyone here wants to believe is not a sports car it is a GT and therefore serve different purposes and shine in different areas. they are both great and somethings a 928 does better than a 911 and others the 911 wins. Just decide what you want from it and pick accordingly or if you can't hopefully you can afford one of each.


I find my 964 and 928 to be very similar in build quality. The doors both need to be slammed to shut properly and i wouldn't consider either tinny. The 993's were the first of the Japaneses influenced 911's and they aren't as solid IMO as teh 964's but compared to today's cars they are all built like Tonka trucks from the 60's. Although you are comparing a cab to a coupe which makes a huge difference.

Mike Frye

Anthony, whose side are you on anyway!

This is the 928 mutual admiration society and if you keep this up, we're going to revoke your card!

cobalt

Mike,

If this were on the 911 forum I would be saying the same thing and probably defending the attributes of a 928 against false accusations. You know I love these cars as much as the rest of you. The 928 is the most consistent model Porsche made all were quick and fast cars that handled well. Doesn't matter if it is an OB or a GTS they are fabulous cars. (Keep this just between us: But the 928 is the best looking Porsche ever IMO)

I am not looking to bash, flame or praise any one model I just want the record straight when comparing one to the other. They are totally different cars both with a feel uniquely Porsche and both can do things that most auto manufacturers have just figured out some 20+ years later. The 911 excels in some ways the 928 in others. Basically it depends on if you like the feel and the quirkiness of a rear engined 911's handling vs the big V8 power of a 928. After a while it ends up being drivers skill more than anything else.

I really can't find fault with either but when breaking it down on a thread like this I try to play both sides as I see it and after 30+ years of driving these things I hope i got something right. If I have spoken out of place i apologize I don't want my membership card revoked.

Sailmed

Damn it Mike.....
Now to go make another cup of cappuccino and clean the keyboard.....

Marine Blue

I think it comes down to driver preference really. The 928 is a very capable car and not very demanding of the driver, the 911 is also capable but it demands full attention from the driver to achieve it.

I personally want one of each.

Richter12x2

True enough at least at low speed, rear engine cars and nice and darty while the weight moment is still far enough forward to keep traction - the faster you go, the less stable the handling on the 911's becomes. As you get to higher speeds, the weight sits further back on the rear wheels and the drive wheels and the steering can become a bit vague. If all you do is cruise around serenely though, you'll never experience it, but at track speeds, sudden power-on understeer is a nasty surprise. You can compensate for this with stiffer spring rates.

As far as requiring force to shut the doors on the 928, that's surprising. I can close my doors with just a little pressure and they engage firmly. That's one of my wife's favorite things about the car actually. The hood I can actually close with a fingertip and feel it snap home.

cobalt

I would agree with the earlier torsion bar cars are more subject to this especially the 930 which needed a few changes like a 5 speed box and LSD to make it comfortable to drive. the turbo is not a car for those faint of heart or those lacking skill to drive. (just a general comment) I track my C2 extensively and I know all about the handling characteristics of both cars. The 911 is light feeling in the front and many don't feel comfortable with that. The newer 911's, 964 forward are just as stable as the 928 at high speeds if not more so. Both cars become planted once exceeding 120 mph although the 928 cannot handle the tighter turns at speeds of 140 or above the way the 911's at least the ones I have owned can. I will admit the 911's do dart around on rough surfaces at slower speeds. At higher speeds the 928 PDK kicks in and although it stabilizes the car it is still not as stable IMO as the 911's. You need to transfer the weight to the front of a 911 or your screwed but it is far more tossable than a 928 and I have no problem blowing by GT's or S4's on the track with equally skilled drivers driving their 928's with some modifications. Heavily modified and lightened 928's are a different story. I will add that my 911's have always had fixed tails and without one they do become unstable at higher speeds but so did my 80 928 without any spoilers.

As far as door closing when the windows are open on either car they click closed nicely with everything closed they build pressure and require force to get them to close completely. This is what I have observed with all the versions I have been in which is a large enough sample to say it should be true with all.

ptuomov

I have both '06 997 CS2C (ok, wifey's but only I use it now) and '87 928 S4 5-speed. Over the last couple of month, 928's accumulate miles at about a rate 2:1 relative to the 997 CS2C. Both were about the same on the fun factor until I made the mistake of putting in a spec 3+ clutch to the 928. Right now, the 997 CS2C is more fun driving in the metro area traffic, and after all it's a convertible. Once I get the turbos under the 928 hood and take the clutch mulligan, I anticipate the order reversing.

VehiGAZ

Waiter... big V8 power, please!!

I think you are totally right - the 928 is much more a GT than it is a sports car. But that's not an insult!!! The GT is the car you want to drive 2 hours to the track, but the sports car is the one you want to drive on the track.

(Now wouldn't that be fun... trailer your 911 to the track with your 928!!! Can someone photochop a pic of that for us?!?)

Similarly, I adore my wife's Audi A3 for the phenomenal highway car that it is. It's not a sports car by any stretch, but it is better at 90+ mph highway running than any other car we own, including the 928. Quiet, comfortable, agile, and quick. You can do 100 mph with two fingers on the wheel, but on the track it would trip over itself at every corner.

911tracker85

I have had my 85 911 for 20 yrs, owned twice. second time got hooked on DE and the upgrades began. Always loved the 928 also, so last year found a nice 84 928S auto for my semi-DD.

I LOVE both cars for what they are.

cruising in the 928 is effortless and relaxed. tracking the 911 is an experience that keeps challenging me.

and Cobalt, if I had the money they would be a 928 GTS and a 93-94 C2 turbo.

hmmm... need to check my lottery ticket.

goliver

Interesting comments. I bounced back and forth between a 1980 911SC to an '85S-5sp 928. Then to a 5sp. S4 and then a modded '84 Carrera only to sell the Carrera to get an auto S4.

Always loved the 911s rawness and charm. Way easier for me to live with said rawness and charm when I was a lot younger. In the older 911s you feel like Juan Fangio when you complete a nice shift or negotiate an offramp at a good clip. The same speed in a 928 is ho-hum boring!

The way it works for me is I love the light weight feel and flickability of a 911. The 928s are just way more heavy feeling. Hate the older 911s creature comforts hence the switching back and forth. Always seemed to coincide with dead of summer or dead of winter. The older 911s A/C SUCKS!!!! The heaters work awesome but they SUCK at keeping the windscreen and windows fog free. 928s have great air and demist.

Having said all that I found the perferct car in my '99 C2 Cab. It has awesome creature comforts the light feeling of the old 911s with solid high speed handling and a lot more kick under the hood. Excellent ergos like the 928. Every bit as good for the bi-weekly 400 mile work related trip as any 928 i've ever owned. The only 928 around for me to drive once in a while is my daughters pristine '84S auto. Nice car on the open highway but boring to drive around town. Every time I get a wild hair to buy a 928GT or GTS I borrow her car for a day and the urge passes.

Not bashing 928s at all. Love 'em as much as anyone, just a 44 year old slightly overweight guys honest assessment. I agree with the above comment that the 928 is still the best looking car Porsche ever built for the street!

turbochad

I have a well modified '70 911T with a 2.7RS motor that scoots along pretty well. If I want to go fast alone I take that car. It is noisy, has harsh suspension, and not very comfortable, but it is a thrilling mechanical and visceral experience. it is fun to explore the limits of the car.

If I am planning to drive with passengers, such as on club drives, I take to 928. It is faster in just about every way, more poised and frankly inspires more confidence in passengers at high speed. Most people just get scared in the 911 because there is so much feedback and driver input required to make it fast.

I have always been an air cooled fanatic, but the 928 is a remarkable car and the more time I spend in mine the more I appreciate the incredible achievement it was for Porsche. Oh yeah, did I mention I love the V8?