utjmac

JpNcos, I'll surely let you know if I do. I just took a look, and overall, it has it's faults, but she drives solid. It took off like a scalded dog. The good.

Engine looks clean, no substantial leaks. The transmission looks a little wet, and the rear transaxle looks like it has some seepage from the drain.

The bad:
No front chin spoiler. Saw some minor rust around the rear windows/spoiler area. He repaired and taped off a 20 sq inch place on the left rear quarter. I don't see any rust in floors or underneath.
The doors, dash could use a deep scrub, seats are busting up foam everywhere. He showed me pictures from when he got it, and it wast as bad as now. UV and AL heat is a killer.
The AC doesn't work. It used to, the guy that filled it told him the compressor sounded week and he said it quit cooling after a few weeks of charging it. Is it typical to change AC hoses to what looks to be standard hoses with screw clamps? It looks like he reran lines with fuel hose, utilizing the factory high and low side pressure taps, but it was a rubber hose instead of a bent metal line that I typically see on AC systems.

While I was there, a relay blew on the fan system and took some troubleshooting, it got back running while I was there with a quick relay swap. Rear wiper doesn't work. Short of some sort, same with the 12V lighter. The driver door is missing a connecting rod, causing the auto door locks not to work correctly. He's got some indiglo gauges that he wishes he never installed, but didn't like the german gauges. He wants to take it back out, but never drives this and starting working on his other projects.
Electric seats work, but they are all torn up.

I never could find the "code" sticker in the rear near the spare, and can never find the engine code. I looked, just never saw it. I've got pictures of the motor if anyone could identify by sight. He said it was the original motor.

On top of all that, I just asked someone whos had their 86 928 S stored if he's match the price of this Euro, and he said he would. Interior looks a lot better, but the engine is not currently running in the 86 and he said he thought he new the problem.

If all was equal, a 1980 Euro or and 86 928S for the same money, if I can prove the engine runs in the 86? Thank you guys so much, I hope to be picking one up this week and becoming a contributing member on here soon. Please keep the commentary coming. If someone can identify the engine by sight, I'll send you a pic of the compartment.

Thanks!

John

jpNcos

post pic or send me a p/m and I will send you my email.

danglerb

Why focus on cars than need $10k to $15k in repairs?

$4k to $5k should buy a solid running no issues early 928. One sold here in RL last week.

utjmac

That was one of the reasons I was asking....I didn't perceive either of these needing $10k-$15k in repairs. One runs like crazy, and the other, not so sure, but is significantly newer. My main concern is a reliable drivetrain, with aesthetics being able to be repaired or replaced over time as I drive it.

I've seen a handful of 928's in that price range, but many do not have significant maintenance history to back them up, and that IS important to me. I'd rather feel out an owner, and feel he is trustworthy and quantify costs to fix what they've honestly disclosed is wrong with the car. Basically, I've searched for many cars over the past two weeks, and finally hit two relatively local 928's with trustworthy owners with 10+year maintenance histories. I appreciate any and everyone's feedback, thanks for the extensive replies by some.

It got submerged in some of the discussion, but if money were equal, would the board prefer a 1980 Euro, or a 86 928S (we'll assume it's not an 86.5)?

jpNcos

We are a visual group, most people here hold there opinion til they see pictures. Then the flood gates will open.

utjmac

I've uploaded a handful to SNAPFISH, but I know it's a membership only site, forced onlookers to login.

Anyone know a site that allows your to share with everyone? Thanks,

John

jpNcos

Engine Pic. from OP

danglerb

Motor pictured is rusty US model isn't it?

I use www.photobucket.com sometimes. You need to join to upload, but it provides links to embed the images in messages so viewers don't need to join.

All 928's are fast, even ones that are running poorly, its a BIG V8, but some are much faster than others.

Model preference is a personal thing, and you may not realize which model you really want until you have owned a few other models. Here are some threads on which model is best ...

https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...ighlight=model

https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...ighlight=model

https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...ighlight=model

https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...ighlight=model

IrishLegend

Great links danglerb! I enjoyed reading them.

utjmac

I have no reason to believe it's anything but the euro engine that matches the rest of the car. do you see something that makes you think it isn't a euro engine ?

you are correct, it was quick, and it's the first 928 I've driven, so I have no reference. it certainly seemed faster than any other low 200hp sports cars I've driven, and the owner showed me any and everything on it's history. it was the motor in it when he bought it many years ago.

danglerb

Both the Euro and Euro S were Kjet CIS injection up through 1983, this car has fuel rails and electronic injection like US models had starting in 1980. CIS is a mechanical pressure controlled system with fuel lines that run to each injector, and the injectors have no electrical connections.

utjmac

interesting. he did mention a fuel supply issue when he first got it, and working with 928 specialists(I think) to get it resolved. he talked about a fuel signal wire from an autozone sourced that didn't acknowledge the electronics to supply fuel. Any chance someone would modify the fuel system to a more US system? can someone take the opportunity to identify the area where a stamp should be on my picture to identify the engine?

If others concur, this would be the first impression that I've got that this isn't all original. The owner seemed very genuine, with full disclosure, so I'd be surprised to find this is the case. thank you for the feedback. If the motor has been changed to a us spec motor, I'm much more hesitant to purchase and would steer toward the 86 that needs some cleanup and repair from storage.

Jadz928

There is nothing obvious which make it a Euro engine. That's the problem.

The body may have the signs of an 'S', ie. spoilers, but they couldv'e been added. Commonly done.

Here you go...

danglerb

Did anybody ever run an autocheck?

VIN 92A0801124 is non US non S 4.5L

Look at the motor ID, and the casting number for the heads (on the side toward the middle of the motor) Euro S heads end with 348R.

utjmac

Jadz- Thanks for the reference, this is the second time I couldn't find that stamp when looking at 928's, so that's very helpful. I'll followup with the original owner to get the marking identified.

danglerb- I just ran the autocheck with using your "spaces" method of filling in to 17 characters. Everything shows clean. All the history items have been the annual registration that the current owner has on the car, nothing before that, so there is no reference for historical milage before he owned it. Even on the current title, milage is exempt because it's greater than 25 years old, they don't have to disclose here in AL. I just ran it on the 86 and everything seems consistent there. Thanks for the informative links as well.