worf928

Since GG was the person that originally sold the parts your description was ambiguous and as written implied that you wanted GG banned.

S4ordie

Verrrrrrry interesting. I too am interested in the whole story. What the hell is wrong with you people?! If you are going to come to this forum, stir up the natives then by damn be specific and name names.

As far as I am concerned the vagueness of both GG and SLC Motorsport in regards to the details is simply nothing more than drama because I can't tell what happened or what exactly is being promoted as truth or fiction/conviction. Total waste of time.

The person who really needs to weigh in on this is the the victim... the unknown ill person....

One thing is for sure, if I were the unknown ill person and it was three years since this took place, I'd be pretty damn mad.....

Where is Columbo when you need him?

Ketchmi

We have to be careful due to the ongoing legal possibilities but if we did name the person, most of the old-timers on this board would instantly understand what is going on.

The heads were delivered to the person in question, verified by pics and delivery reciept...all of which is with our lawyer.

The heads sat on our shelf for over a couple of years while the person in question changed his mind on what to do with them with every single phone call/email. As far as selling them, we have many sets we would love to get rid of and have no need to take, lose or sell his. We would have such a considerable amount to lose over the minor profit of one set of heads, do the math. It just doesn't add up.

It is a long and involved story but I will say that the Utah investigator has cleared us of all wrongdoing and couldn't believe the accusations. He found it very entertaining.

I am still trying to figure out what Greg has to do with this and just how did the gentleman in question manage to turn him into his puppet without knowing both sides of the story. I think Greg may have had the wool pulled over his eyes. Who in their right mind would make accusations like this without at least attempting to hear both sides? When cleared by our legal guide, we will be able to answer all questions easily and it is an entertaining story to say the least.

S4ordie

Thanks Dave, that helps a bit. But can you answer one question that will do nothing in terms of increasing litigation inflamation.... Do you, or anyone else know where the parts in question are?

White Lightnin'

Dave C., I will try to explain a couple of posts... since you understood things once Heinrich explained it simply -to everyone that wasn't following the chain of events...

I took this to mean the buyer (#2) of the stolen parts may no longer be part of Rennlist for whatever reason and will not see this thread.
I suggested the SELLER (#2) of the STOLEN parts be banned as a result of such activity... like we have the warning list of fraudulent buyers/sellers/emails.

I hope this clears things up... as apparently everyone else understood, that it was both seller #2 and buyer #2 that Greg was seeking information on...

Lots of typing...

Landseer

Why lots of typing? No value add.

Gretch

Wow, now even i can guess who the anonymous "sick" guy is........

Man, talk about dredging up old dramas.......!!!!!!

Ah well. This forum seems to need at least one good on going cat fight as a pressure relief valve. Lord knows this one has a better cast of characters than the most recent episodes of "days of our non-lives"..........

Carry on, but be civil........................


Yeah, civil..... new concept: Blunt, direct, no whining, no passive aggressive BS and CIVIL, dammit!

Peace my brothers!

White Lightnin'

Lots of typing to do the quotes within quotes... and certainly there's value added.

Clarification -it's a beautiful thing! Now, everyone's on the same page.

Big Dave

As suspected, the "sick guy" has already been banned from Rennlist, I believe personally by John D.

cold_beer839

I think he said they are still sitting on the shelf in his shop waiting for the owner to decide on what he wants done with them.

Could be the owner is a nut and suffered a head injury in his previous accident that GG referenced to.

White Lightnin'

I think they were on the shelf for a couple of years... along with other sets of heads IIRC.

Ketchmi

Very plainly stated...

"The heads were delivered to the person in question, verified by pics and delivery reciept...all of which is with our lawyer."

S4ordie

Uhhhhh no, not really. My question was and still is, do YOU still have the parts, or do you know where they are? Simple enough.

Your "plainly stated" comment answers nothing and, to me, insinuates you are shielding information, especially when in your OP you state

So, at this time I'm outta this thread except as an occasional reader.

bronto

It's pretty clear to me. Motorsports returned the heads to the client and has a photo and receipt to prove it. No, they don't (can't) know where they are now because they are out of their possession.

ptuomov

Funny.

How about the purely hypothetical possibility that instead of returning the heads ported and modified by Greg Gray, they returned some other heads worth thousands of dollars less? In this purely hypothetical case, it would be theft, fraud, mail fraud crossing state borders depending on payments, etc. Prison time, and not state prison. More cases show up and the firm and its employees gain eligibility to RICO. Even their lawyers could end up in the pokey, if they knew about the scheme.

Note that I am not claiming to have evidence of anything above. The point I am making here with this purely hypothetical example is that it shouldn't be "pretty clear" to you and others what happened simply based on what was written on this thread by someone involved. The criminal and civil courts will sort this out, I would reserve the judgment here until those convictions and judgments are delivered or the cases dismissed.