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Though I am not an attorney, I would advise Leslie from posting too much information relative to her personal actions regarding the circumstances of the accident. These postings can and would most likely be subpoenaed as evidence of responsibility.
Leslie, though we would all like to understand the specifics, might be wise just to keep us informed of your health and well being, technical issues and ways we can help out. Probably best to leave cause/fault out of this communication.
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Leslie, though we would all like to understand the specifics, might be wise just to keep us informed of your health and well being, technical issues and ways we can help out. Probably best to leave cause/fault out of this communication.
Thank our litigious culture for this advice.
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Unless you have witnesses that the SUV pulled out in front of you then slammed on brakes before establishing itself completely in the travel lane, it looks like a clear cut 'failure to reduce speed' cause to me.
Also, it's hard to tell from the pictures, but is that a 4 lane road or 2 lane road?
Also, regarding posting on the forum about the accident, remember this, a good attorney can get you out of anything, just ask OJ.
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I don't think you moved that car as it sits at the point of impact. The red bits of glass scattered about off your left flank witnesses to that as that is from the suv, no red glass on the front of 928's.. It appears to me that you exited that shopping center up the road and merged from the shoulder with a bit of speed and saw the Suv to late as you were probably looking over your shoulder for anything coming up in that lane, and when it showed clear you gave it more throttle and holy cow wasn't that light just green and that suv moving? On the brakes but to late. Purely my speculation and may not be fact.
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Owie! Sorry to see that. I thought it was a simple fender bender... looks a bit more than that, but hopefully not too much more.
Hang in there Leslie... you'll make it work.
Hang in there Leslie... you'll make it work.
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I hope your feeling better soon and agree with everyone else you need to get checked over by a good doc.
I am concerned about how you may stand legally, have no special legal knowledge or any knowledge regarding your local laws, but if you left the scene of the accident without doing all the required things, that might be something that should be cleared up asap. I also would not leave any statements of fault on a public forum on even the tiny chance that it could cause trouble with your liability coverage.
Damage to the car does look bad, but it also seems localized. The driver side front wheel doesn't look bad, and the roofline seems good as well, so maybe the chassis is ok. I would leave it to a good body man to decide.
Take care of yourself.
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Try not to worry about the car or money, time will smooth both out.
I am concerned about how you may stand legally, have no special legal knowledge or any knowledge regarding your local laws, but if you left the scene of the accident without doing all the required things, that might be something that should be cleared up asap. I also would not leave any statements of fault on a public forum on even the tiny chance that it could cause trouble with your liability coverage.
Damage to the car does look bad, but it also seems localized. The driver side front wheel doesn't look bad, and the roofline seems good as well, so maybe the chassis is ok. I would leave it to a good body man to decide.
Take care of yourself.
Mind your legal situation.
Try not to worry about the car or money, time will smooth both out.
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Leslie, I'm sorry about the car but happy you're OK. If you don't remember the accident it seems logical to me you should go see a doc, maybe you sustained injury. About the skid mark:
1) the mark shows all the way back you were either not in the left lane completely or moving into or out of it
2) you recall moving the car a few feet after the accident. Looking at the mark, if that is correct, you moved the car pretty far, because the skid mark is consistent along its length ... there is no skid-stop-skid and there is no skid-stop-snoskid.
This means you either recall wrong, that you didn't manage to move the car after the collision, or you did move it but a very long distance, at which point the skid marks tell us very little. I also see an aluminium strip across the tyre, meaning maybe you did in fact move the car a long way after the collision.
1) the mark shows all the way back you were either not in the left lane completely or moving into or out of it
2) you recall moving the car a few feet after the accident. Looking at the mark, if that is correct, you moved the car pretty far, because the skid mark is consistent along its length ... there is no skid-stop-skid and there is no skid-stop-snoskid.
This means you either recall wrong, that you didn't manage to move the car after the collision, or you did move it but a very long distance, at which point the skid marks tell us very little. I also see an aluminium strip across the tyre, meaning maybe you did in fact move the car a long way after the collision.
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Sorry for your accident Leslie! Hope you sort out what happened. I agree that you should immediately cease and desist from commenting on the board here on what may or may night have happened in any way. No good will come of that.
Isn't NJ a no-fault collision state? Does that only apply to liability claims? Any bearing on an accident like this?
My observations from the pictures:
Considering Leslie's impression that she went "from AOK! to WTF?" (I love that!!) almost instantaneously, I think that the situation developed very quickly, and that the SUV was not in the same position relative to Leslie 5-10 seconds before the accident as he was at impact.
From my own real-world driving experiences, I would wager that the SUV jumped into the left/passing lane in front of Leslie (either from the other side of the street or from the right/traveling lane), then immediately stomped on their brakes (either because of stopped traffic or to make a left-hand turn - there are apparently still a couple of places to do so in NJ), and that's how the accident happened.
Isn't NJ a no-fault collision state? Does that only apply to liability claims? Any bearing on an accident like this?
My observations from the pictures:
- It is a 2-lane road in the direction Leslie was traveling - note that the white line she ended up on is dashed.
- I also think that the skid mark is from the accident, not from trying to pull off the road, because the debris field is right there, not 20-30 ft back.
- I think Leslie's apparent memory of moving the car is from her intention to move it, but no movement was actually made.
- If the skid is from the accident, it shows clearly that she tried to avoid hitting the SUV. Note that the skid is only from the driver's-side front tire, not from the passenger-side tire.
Considering Leslie's impression that she went "from AOK! to WTF?" (I love that!!) almost instantaneously, I think that the situation developed very quickly, and that the SUV was not in the same position relative to Leslie 5-10 seconds before the accident as he was at impact.
From my own real-world driving experiences, I would wager that the SUV jumped into the left/passing lane in front of Leslie (either from the other side of the street or from the right/traveling lane), then immediately stomped on their brakes (either because of stopped traffic or to make a left-hand turn - there are apparently still a couple of places to do so in NJ), and that's how the accident happened.
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Leslie... a concussion does not have to include an external impact to the head. It occurs because the brain is moving inside the skull and comes to a sudden stop against the inside of the skull. Bruising of the brain could occur (no jokes here guys) if the impact inside the skull is severe enough.
GO GET CHECKED OUT!
GO GET CHECKED OUT!
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Let's face it, if you live in Jersey, hell shouldn't seem that much different. Just warmer. Next, your husband will be very pleased that you are uninjured. The first thing he'll say is " Honey, are you all right? ". Then he'll say something like,... " the car is only a thing, it can be replaced, but your my wife,....the love of my life, I'm so glad your O.K. "
On the other hand, it could have been him and his girlfriend who cut your break lines, hoping you would die in a fiery crash, so they could collect the insurance money and move to Hawaii.
On the other hand, it could have been him and his girlfriend who cut your break lines, hoping you would die in a fiery crash, so they could collect the insurance money and move to Hawaii.
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Let's face it, if you live in Jersey, hell shouldn't seem that much different. Just warmer. Next, your husband will be very pleased that you are uninjured. The first thing he'll say is " Honey, are you all right? ". Then he'll say something like,... " the car is only a thing, it can be replaced, but your my wife,....the love of my life, I'm so glad your O.K. "
On the other hand, it could have been him and his girlfriend who cut your break lines, hoping you would die in a fiery crash, so they could collect the insurance money and move to Hawaii.
On the other hand, it could have been him and his girlfriend who cut your break lines, hoping you would die in a fiery crash, so they could collect the insurance money and move to Hawaii.
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wow, I'm sorry about the accident. If you need any help reconstructing it, I'll be in the Princeton area until mid-august, just let me know and I can lend a hand. Glad you're still alive, body panels can be replaced, body parts are more difficult.