cobalt

Unfortunately the 599 was relatively new with an older driver with wife and he never got on it as hard which I would have loved to witness. Although he did move along nicely. I agree with you on the Scuderia I would have to say based on performance and if I were to own a newer F car that would be the one. From what I saw my turbo is easily 2 clicks faster than the R8 although I know it had some exhaust work i believe it was stock otherwise. I am confident on the track I would keep up or pass an R8 in my turbo.

Do you know the weight of an F430 off hand? I am roughly running about 6.9 pounds to every 1 hp from what I saw the F430 had no where near the torque of my car which is roughly 460 pound feet. I would have to assume the 430 weighs close to the R8 just on shear size alone. Where these cars win is the F1 tranny's. They shift so quickly that if you blink you loose precious time so having your gear work perfect is everything and you need extra power to keep up on the same level.

So although power to weight has a lot to do with performance so does a quick shifting box. For me shifting is part of the package although not for all but I find these cars to be too much like playing a video game. Impressive and fun but after a while they get played out.

Although, I have to admit they do sound tremendous.

dprantl

A 2008 F430 coupe is 3200lbs, and the spider is 3351lbs, identical to the older 928 to the last pound even!

Dan
'91 928GT S/C 475hp/460lb.ft

cobalt

So roughly 300 pounds +/- less than an R8. The F430 was a spider so it still has a .3 pound to hp advantage over my car so I am assuming the torque is what makes the difference. (Please no debates about torque)

dprantl

Well, it seems to me that a spider would be almost exactly the same weight/hp. 3351/490 = 6.84lb/hp. +0.06lb/hp compared to your 6.9 is negligible. Not sure where the 500+hp figure is from for a F430, even the 2009 model is 490hp@8,500RPM and 343lb.ft@5,250RPM.

Dan
'91 928GT S/C 475hp/460lb.ft

mark kibort

And you guys saw my race with the Ferrari Challenge 360 (a step below the 430) a few years back? the quick shifting was cool and so was the sound, but heck, i was right there the entire race with a car worth 10% of this thing. I have a set of headers! Oh, and a street sport suspension. we were pretty evenly matched and about the same weight.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...racing+ferrari


not bad for a 20 year old (18 at the time) 928

mk

cobalt

That makes more sense. Thanks for the info.

Mark your a mad man but great stuff.

pcar928fan

510 or maybe even 525 is for the 430 Scuderia...which is also a lighter car than the standard 430...