Oil in Coolant, MB engine
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Clean the cooling system with a bit of liquid Tide detergent, rinse, repeat. It will get the oil out and doesn't damage the aluminum.
Mechanic should isolate the oil cooler if it's part of the radiator, and bypass it. Run at idle or min load so oil temp isn't an issue, see if you still have the contamination. Otherwise the head comes off, gets cleaned up and gets a dye-pen test for cracks. If none found, carefully inspect the block on top for similar damage. IIRC, and this is from really old (1960's and 1970's) MB sixes, the oil feed to the cam drive is through a separate tube that runs up the front with the cam chain. There are no high-pressure oil passages sealed by the head gasket. Newer engines may be way different, just a thought on where to look.
Mechanic should isolate the oil cooler if it's part of the radiator, and bypass it. Run at idle or min load so oil temp isn't an issue, see if you still have the contamination. Otherwise the head comes off, gets cleaned up and gets a dye-pen test for cracks. If none found, carefully inspect the block on top for similar damage. IIRC, and this is from really old (1960's and 1970's) MB sixes, the oil feed to the cam drive is through a separate tube that runs up the front with the cam chain. There are no high-pressure oil passages sealed by the head gasket. Newer engines may be way different, just a thought on where to look.
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Thanks for your posts, everyone. The dealer is confident that it is the head gasket, and they've offered that if they replace it and it still leaks the job it is free of charge. So, if they are correct, I can go back to the first shop and ask for my money back, at least on the labor, as they didn't do the job correctly. If they arent' correct, then we go for the oil cooler.
You guys are great!
You guys are great!
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Those 6 cylinder engines are very reliable. I owned a 300SEL for many years and had no problems up to 275,000 miles on the original engine (sold the car). That's a whole lotta car for a 6 cylinder. If you haven't checked it out, you can get answers here:
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/index.php
Very good group of folks not unlike this forum. Hope that helps.
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/index.php
Very good group of folks not unlike this forum. Hope that helps.
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Thanks for your posts, everyone. The dealer is confident that it is the head gasket, and they've offered that if they replace it and it still leaks the job it is free of charge. So, if they are correct, I can go back to the first shop and ask for my money back, at least on the labor, as they didn't do the job correctly. If they arent' correct, then we go for the oil cooler.
You guys are great!
You guys are great!
So, if that fixes it, do you guys think I have recourse with the first mechanic who put the head gasket on it? I'm thinking I do. They're in the business to know this stuff and it sounds like it should have been noticed when they did the job.
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from the first post, the first mech is a someone you have a long history with, no real need to bash his abilities as you may need his services in the future.
I would suggest to see what happens after the dealer installs the new head gasket and drive the car for a bit.
I would suggest to see what happens after the dealer installs the new head gasket and drive the car for a bit.
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When my Mustang had milkshake in the coolant I did this test and there was no colour change; that is no combustion gas. It was the auto cooler in the radiator that was found to be the problem.
I understand that the test looks for the presence of Carbon Monoxide.
Does the dealer have any suggestion as to why there is pitting in the head?
Marton
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Just a guess on my part, but it sounds like the head was not surfaced when the first head job was done is the reason that the pitting is there.
The pitting is almost always caused my not doing bi yearly coolant changes or using tap water to mix the coolant.
I have people tell me, "why are you 1,000 dollars more for a head gasket than this other shop" the answer is simple, I have 1,000 dollars worth of machine shop charges that they don't.
Many times I will see the same car in a few months with the same problem as it had before the other shop did the head gasket.
Thy always want me to cut them a break because they have already spent X number of dollars on the car, I find that funny and sad at the same time.
The pitting is almost always caused my not doing bi yearly coolant changes or using tap water to mix the coolant.
I have people tell me, "why are you 1,000 dollars more for a head gasket than this other shop" the answer is simple, I have 1,000 dollars worth of machine shop charges that they don't.
Many times I will see the same car in a few months with the same problem as it had before the other shop did the head gasket.
Thy always want me to cut them a break because they have already spent X number of dollars on the car, I find that funny and sad at the same time.
Surprised you did not do this test, it is quick & easy.
When my Mustang had milkshake in the coolant I did this test and there was no colour change; that is no combustion gas. It was the auto cooler in the radiator that was found to be the problem.
I understand that the test looks for the presence of Carbon Monoxide.
Does the dealer have any suggestion as to why there is pitting in the head?
Marton
When my Mustang had milkshake in the coolant I did this test and there was no colour change; that is no combustion gas. It was the auto cooler in the radiator that was found to be the problem.
I understand that the test looks for the presence of Carbon Monoxide.
Does the dealer have any suggestion as to why there is pitting in the head?
Marton